Medieval music from the Caucasus prior to the arrival of Islam

[Carlo Gesualdo]

From what I read ottoman rule in Caucasus came very later In 17 century but prior to this what did music sound in I.e Chechnya, Ingushestia, Daguestan,Georgia and etc, what about it folks.

Prior to Islamic conquest in this part of the world, what there music sound like, when there were not Muslim or Christian orthodox, the pagan medieval music, perhaps it sounded kind of Turkish and there were montain jews population in this era, what about it, did Jordi Savall explore the early music of Caucasus or someone else?

I like world music and classical so this question interesting. Can someone from these country answer me or a ardent musicologist of the ancient lore obscure depth explain me, what kind of music was there prior to Ottoman conquest in Caucasus region.

I'm curious as some north-american, like anyone else, most sounded like ancient Turkish music in the end?

I like ancient Turkish music, Naxos label had few album exploring It , like ''On the road to Bethlehem'' and ''From Byzantium to Andalusia'' which were fairly enough excellent albums!

I did not post this in ECM because  it's a question I bet no one would answer, It's a some strange query of mine?

[Que]

This thread has been unlocked and cleared from any off topic remarks - happy continuation.

[Mandryka]

The question is a really good one but I can't answer it. Georgian early music has a seriously great reputation. In wiki I read

Georgian folk music is predominantly vocal and is widely known for its rich traditions of vocal polyphony. It is widely accepted in contemporary musicology that polyphony in Georgian music predates the introduction of Christianity in Georgia (beginning of the 4th century AD).[3] All regional styles of Georgian music have traditions of vocal a cappella polyphony, although in the most southern regions (Meskheti and Lazeti) only historical sources provide the information about the presence of vocal polyphony before the 20th century.[4]

Vocal polyphony based on ostinato formulas and rhythmic drone are widely distributed in all Georgian regional styles.[5] Apart from these common techniques, there are also other, more complex forms of polyphony: pedal drone polyphony in Eastern Georgia, particularly in Kartli and Kakheti table songs (two highly embellished melodic lines develop rhythmically free on the background of pedal drone), and contrapuntal polyphony in Achara, Imereti, Samegrelo, and particularly in Guria (three and four part polyphony with highly individualized melodic lines in each part and the use of several polyphonic techniques). Western Georgian contrapuntal polyphony features the local variety of the yodel, known as krimanchuli.[6]

Both east and west Georgian polyphony is based on wide use of sharp dissonant harmonies (seconds, fourths, sevenths, ninths). Because of the wide use of the specific chord consisting of the fourth and a second on top of the fourth (C-F-G), the founder of Georgian ethnomusicology, Dimitri Arakishvili called this chord the "Georgian Triad".[7] Georgian music is also known for colorful modulations and unusual key changes.

Georgian polyphonic singing was among the first on the list of Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity in 2001. Georgian polyphonic singing was relisted on the Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity in 2008. It was inscribed on the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Georgia registry in 2011.[8][9]

But dispite this I can find nothing on record apart from this, but my first impressions is that it is very good indeed! So thanks for leading me to it. I don't know if the music they're singing is old or what. Put it like this, it's timeless.



https://www.amazon.co.uk/Georgia-Secular-Polyphony-Basiani-Ensemble/dp/B00PO54MQE

[Carlo Gesualdo]

Merci Mandryka et joyeux  temps des fêtes cher ami

Indeed this music is very interesting I will put it's on my wish list, I wish you the best for new year sir

[Mandryka]

Bon réveillon à vous aussi.

[Brahmsian]

Speaking of Ancient Turkish music (wasn't sure if this was the proper thread?), I came across this and sampled.  Quite interesting!





Featuring several instruments that although I've heard the sound before, never knew the names of the instruments:

*Zurna
*Santur
*Nay
*Daf
*Tombak

[Cato]

Speaking of Ancient Turkish music (wasn't sure if this was the proper thread?), I came across this and sampled.  Quite interesting!





Featuring several instruments that although I've heard the sound before, never knew the names of the instruments:

*Zurna
*Santur
*Nay
*Daf
*Tombak

Thanks for the link!

On YouTube under "Georgian Polyphony," I found this performance via UNESCO: it offers some information on the history of the music.