Major works absent from your collection?

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Sergeant Rock

#60
April 18, 2023, 06:22:46 AM
Quote from: DavidW on April 08, 2023, 06:40:12 PMI know that this is a bannable offense these days... but... I have no Havergal Brian in my collection. ;D

Shame, shame.  :o

Sarge
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"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
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Holden

#61
April 18, 2023, 11:36:49 AM
Some very notable gaps.

Virtually no opera

Missa Solemnis

Virtually no Brahms chamber music

No Bach cantatas

No Haydn symphonies and limited number of piano sonatas

No Schubert lieder cycles yet I have numerous individual lieder
Cheers

Holden

LKB

#62
April 18, 2023, 01:12:20 PM
Most of my musical media was sold off so l could buy food etc. while homeless, a few years back. Much of that collection has found its way to YouTube, and most of it was memorized in any case, so l really don't feel the loss very keenly.

In my case l think it's more a question of gaps in knowledge, and for me that would be mainly contemporary music and the Italian Baroque repertoire.
Mit Flügeln, die ich mir errungen...

Holden

#63
May 04, 2023, 02:52:06 PM
Try the recording by Ferenc Fricsay on DGG. Soloists include Fischer-Dieskau, Ernst Haefliger, Irmgard Seefried and Maria Stader. A stellar cast and they live up to their ratings.
Cheers

Holden

Verena

#64
May 11, 2023, 03:15:54 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 09, 2023, 10:11:12 AMI barely understand German yet Lieder is one of my favorite genres. 😁

Happy you!   ;D  German is my native language and I sometimes wish I didn't understand some of the Lieder texts. I find a few of them so annoying / bland that I cannot really enjoy the singing and sometimes wish the texts were sung in Chinese or Hausa ... My favorite composer Schubert is a particular problem in this context for me . Admittedly, there are also some really fantastic poems set to sublime music, most notably by Schumann.
Don't think, but look! (PI66)

Jo498

#65
May 11, 2023, 03:44:44 AM
Which Schubert text do you find so annoying? My bête noire used to be "Das Zügenglöcklein" (the music is not that memorable either and fits the sentimentality of the text) but it's not bad enough that I'd skip the song in a anthology.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

Pohjolas Daughter

#66
May 11, 2023, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 10, 2023, 02:44:28 PMNor me - nothing at all.
No Verdi...no Puccini?! 



PD

vandermolen

#67
May 11, 2023, 12:04:43 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on May 11, 2023, 10:49:29 AMNo Verdi...no Puccini?! 



PD
Indeed not. Sorry about that PD. Very little Schumann or Chopin either.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Florestan

#68
May 11, 2023, 12:11:31 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 11, 2023, 12:04:43 PMVery little Schumann or Chopin either.

At least you have one Haydn disc, so all is forgiven.  ;D
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Pohjolas Daughter

#69
May 11, 2023, 12:14:58 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 11, 2023, 12:04:43 PMIndeed not. Sorry about that PD. Very little Schumann or Chopin either.
That's o.k.  I still like you anyway.  ;)

PD

p.s.  Hope that you got a laugh though out of the image that I had posted?  ;D

Pohjolas Daughter

#70
May 11, 2023, 12:18:09 PM
Quote from: PetieT on May 04, 2023, 11:31:26 AMI've been "hunting" Mozart's Don Giovanni for a long time. I want to find some special version or even a record. Not that I'm much of a Mozart fan in general, but this opera awakens something beautiful in me
I love your avatar by the way!

PD

Florestan

#71
May 11, 2023, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on May 11, 2023, 10:49:29 AM

- Forgive me, father, for I have sinned!.

- Take comfort, daughter, for so have I!

 ;D
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

vandermolen

#72
May 11, 2023, 01:04:32 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on May 11, 2023, 12:14:58 PMThat's o.k.  I still like you anyway.  ;)

PD

p.s.  Hope that you got a laugh though out of the image that I had posted?  ;D
I did indeed PD although initially I thought that it was an image of my wife pleading with me to turn off Pettersson's Symphony 'The Dead in the Marketplace'  ;D
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#73
May 11, 2023, 01:06:05 PM
Quote from: Florestan on May 11, 2023, 12:11:31 PMAt least you have one Haydn disc, so all is forgiven.  ;D

Two now actually, although they both feature the 'Farewell Symphony'.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Verena

#74
May 11, 2023, 04:19:41 PM
Quote from: Jo498 on May 11, 2023, 03:44:44 AMWhich Schubert text do you find so annoying? My bête noire used to be "Das Zügenglöcklein" (the music is not that memorable either and fits the sentimentality of the text) but it's not bad enough that I'd skip the song in a anthology.

The worst for me for some reason is ,,An Sylvia". It's a song I could hardly listen to until I imagined it hummed without words. But Zügenglöcklein is not really better. Part of my problem with the texts is that many words are used which sound completely artificial to modern ears (eg in ,,An die Musik"; the word ,,holde" in ,,Du holde Kunst..." is only used in a negative, ironical context nowadays).
Don't think, but look! (PI66)

Florestan

#75
May 12, 2023, 01:04:12 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 11, 2023, 01:06:05 PMTwo now actually, although they both feature the 'Farewell Symphony'.

Well, you love valedictory symphonies, don't you?  ;)
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

vandermolen

#76
May 12, 2023, 01:21:22 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 12, 2023, 01:04:12 AMWell, you love valedictory symphonies, don't you?  ;)
HAHA V good!  :)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Jo498

#77
May 12, 2023, 04:19:40 AM
Quote from: Verena on May 11, 2023, 04:19:41 PMThe worst for me for some reason is ,,An Sylvia". It's a song I could hardly listen to until I imagined it hummed without words. But Zügenglöcklein is not really better. Part of my problem with the texts is that many words are used which sound completely artificial to modern ears (eg in ,,An die Musik"; the word ,,holde" in ,,Du holde Kunst..." is only used in a negative, ironical context nowadays).
"An Silvia" is translation from Shakespeare that is not that great although I don't find it offensive, old-fashioned it is, sure.
But how could one expect anything else from >200 year old poems?
The wikipedia article points out some trade-offs of Bauernfeld's translation; he did a quite decent job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Sylvia

I guess I have been so familiar with old-fashioned poetry since my childhood that it would never occur to me to find "holde Kunst" strange in any way or understand "hold" only ironically. I find "An die Musik" a pretty good, straightforward and moving text. It's not up with Goethe who could sometimes write things that are music already without a tune (like Wanderers Nachtlied) but it works well as a song.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

Verena

#78
May 12, 2023, 06:09:44 AM Last Edit: May 12, 2023, 06:15:59 AM by Verena
Quote from: Jo498 on May 12, 2023, 04:19:40 AM"An Silvia" is translation from Shakespeare that is not that great although I don't find it offensive, old-fashioned it is, sure.
But how could one expect anything else from >200 year old poems?
The wikipedia article points out some trade-offs of Bauernfeld's translation; he did a quite decent job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Sylvia

I guess I have been so familiar with old-fashioned poetry since my childhood that it would never occur to me to find "holde Kunst" strange in any way or understand "hold" only ironically. I find "An die Musik" a pretty good, straightforward and moving text. It's not up with Goethe who could sometimes write things that are music already without a tune (like Wanderers Nachtlied) but it works well as a song.


I've only heard ,,hold" in contexts where it is used ironically (especially ,,holder Gatte/in".. usually as a prelude to explaining some strange or laughable incident; or it is used in a mildly teasing way). Of course it is old-fashioned language, that in itself is no problem for me. But I don't like it for some purely subjective reason. Maybe with more literary background my response might change. Edit : I guess psychologically my response here is indeed due to having experienced ,,hold" as a cue that what follows should not be taken completely seriously. And that clashes (for me) with the meaning of ,,hold" in these older poems.
Don't think, but look! (PI66)
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