Started by Florestan, May 20, 2023, 08:31:36 AM
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Quote from: Florestan on May 20, 2023, 08:31:36 AMBy which I mean, what literary work which is unanimously considered a masterpiece do you personally find not so great at all?My first and foremost example is The Sorrows of Young Werther. A laughably mawkish piece of shit, yet one which led astray a whole generation, with echoes as far as Brahms and Massenet. How and why Goethe of all people should have written such crap is beyond me.Your turn.
Quote from: DavidW on May 20, 2023, 10:12:21 AMJames Fenimoore Cooper (any of his novels). Mark Twain can say it better than myself:https://xroads.virginia.edu/~Hyper/HNS/Indians/offense.html
Quote from: Florestan on May 20, 2023, 09:38:15 AMAlso Plato's Republic strikes me as a typical case of emperor's new clothes.To begin with, the title is grossly mistranslated. Firstly, republic is a Latin word, not a Greek one. Secondly, what kind of a republic is that, where there are no elections whatsoever?
Quote from: Karl Henning on May 20, 2023, 09:22:24 AMFun thread. @Cato got here first, in spirit, but Hemingway, The Old Man and the Sea, wherein there is even less than meets the eye.
Quote from: Jo498 on May 20, 2023, 01:18:56 PMMost famous book I got stuck at about half: Anna Karenina (I got bored by the Kitty/Levin stuff). I read War and Peace, Resurrection and most of the shorter Tolstoi novellas, so it was neither the sheer length nor the style. And I plan to re-read it eventually.
Quote from: vers la flamme on May 21, 2023, 06:33:07 AMI'll catch hell for this I know, but every time I try to read Heart of Darkness I'm bored to tears before I make it through the first third. I'll try again someday... I have yet to get much out of my attempts to read The Sound and the Fury, too, though I really love others of Faulkner's works. In both cases, I'm sure the problem is with me and not the books. I'm not sure I've read any "great" literature that I found to be straight-up bad. However there was one book I had to read in high school that I thought was just awful: A Separate Peace by John Knowles. I'm not sure if that's considered a "great literary work", but I didn't like it at all. Edit: On the topic of high school assigned reading, I also did not like The Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne at all either.
Quote from: LKB on May 21, 2023, 06:31:08 AMOT:Everything by Shakespeare.
Quote from: SimonNZ on May 21, 2023, 06:40:52 AMIs it Shakespeare you dislike or the traumatic memory of bad high school teachers? (It occurs to me I could ask that question of many present and future nominations here.)
Quote from: Jo498 on May 20, 2023, 11:28:23 AMThe bad translation is not Plato's fault, it was called "politeia" (the State).
QuoteAnd while it's understandable, it is a bit of a misunderstanding that it is mainly about an ideal state (that is horribly totalitarian, incl. abolishment of family, eugenics, strict regulation of the arts and music etc.). It's about the soul (and a bunch of other things), the state is "only" the macrocosmic analogue for this. But clearly, Plato put to much into one book, it should have been two or three.
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