The Worst Great Literary Work You'Ve Ever Read

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Florestan

Quote from: Jorge Luis BorgesThe European and the North American believe that a book which has been awarded any sort of prize must be good; the Argentine acknowledges the possibility that it might not be bad, in spite of the prize.

Ich bin ein Argentiner...  ;D
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

LKB

Quote from: Florestan on May 21, 2023, 12:26:24 PMOh, yes, that is another novel that I've started reading twice, or even thrice, without ever finishing it. I guess it's one of the few instances in which the movie is better than the book.

Moby Dick is certainly a challenge, but for those who can bring themselves to persevere, it offers unique rewards. I completed it for the first time some thirty years ago, and Melville's imagery inspired me to began composing music for an opera ( which remains unfinished, much to my chagrin ).
Mit Flügeln, die ich mir errungen...

Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on May 21, 2023, 12:26:24 PMOh, yes, that is another novel that I've started reading twice, or even thrice, without ever finishing it. I guess it's one of the few instances in which the movie is better than the book.
I'm a great fan of both the book and movie,  but an excellent friend of mine couldn't bear the book, so I get that it's not everyone's ducats. 
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Jo498

Quote from: Florestan on May 21, 2023, 12:16:39 PMWell, I think Kitty and Levin are much more interesting and likeable characters than Anna and Vronsky.  ;D
Likeable and boring. I want drama in a book not wannabe idyll cutting grass with the peasants (while actually being aware that it is only pretension and one is not a peasant).

QuoteHonestly, though, I vastly prefer Turgenev over both Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. Besides being incomparably more humane and tolerant than both, he's also considerably shorter.  ;D
I am not sure if I tried Fathers and Sons and never got into it or if I read it and mostly forgot it. There are plenty of good shorter prose pieces by Dostoevsky and Tolstoy; I have not read all of them. But when I was in my Dostoevsky phase in my 20s I read all the big ones and C & P, Karamasov and Idiot twice (usually with several years in between). Length is rarely a problem per se.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

Florestan

Quote from: Karl Henning on May 21, 2023, 12:45:19 PMI'm a great fan of both the book and movie,  but an excellent friend of mine couldn't bear the book, so I get that it's not everyone's ducats.

The theme is interesting and the story in itself compelling --- it's the digressions that I can't stand.
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on May 21, 2023, 12:51:01 PMThe theme is interesting and the story in itself compelling --- it's the digressions that I can't stand.
I find them a feature, and not a bug ....
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

Quote from: Jo498 on May 21, 2023, 12:46:46 PMLikeable and boring.


Ordinary life is boring --- and Heaven forfend that it should ever be otherwise.

QuoteI want drama in a book

Do you want the self-same drama in your own life too?

QuoteI am not sure if I tried Fathers and Sons and never got into it or if I read it and mostly forgot it.

FWIW, I rate it very highly.
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Florestan

#47
Quote from: Karl Henning on May 21, 2023, 01:02:06 PMI find them a feature, and not a bug ....

De gustibus et coloribus non disputandum est.
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

VonStupp

Quote from: Karl Henning on May 21, 2023, 08:30:05 AMCrime and Punishment is simply beyond High School students. It's a crime so to punish them.

Most of these are university students, although I believe Crime and Punishment is indeed for HS students to try and test out of University literature. I never gave the Dostoevsky a shot to know better.

VS
All the good music has already been written by people with wigs and stuff. - Frank Zappa

My Musical Musings

Karl Henning

Quote from: VonStupp on May 21, 2023, 01:19:43 PMMost of these are university students
Ah, I misunderstood, VS, though I think it a rare undergraduate who really grapples with it. Certainly, any HS student who scales that peak deserves to test out of University Lit. ; )
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

Primum vivere deinde philosophari;D
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

VonStupp

#52
Quote from: Karl Henning on May 21, 2023, 01:27:14 PMAh, I misunderstood, VS, though I think it a rare undergraduate who really grapples with it. Certainly, any HS student who scales that peak deserves to test out of University Lit. ; )

I truly admire students who really delve into literature; my personal love of Dickens comes from HS. For most nowadays it seems 'how can I know as much as I can without actually reading the book' is an all too familiar pattern I hear. Ah well...

For me, my 10th grade English teacher started us on Rudyard Kipling's Kim. None of us complained when he aborted it after a few days. Never had that happen before.
VS
All the good music has already been written by people with wigs and stuff. - Frank Zappa

My Musical Musings

Florestan

"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Karl Henning

Quote from: VonStupp on May 21, 2023, 01:33:15 PMmy personal love of Dickens comes from HS
True of an old schoolmate of mine, too, the culprit being David Copperfield ... so that he wound up pursuing a doctorate in Lit. I don't know how it was that I never read any Dickens in HS.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

VonStupp

Quote from: Karl Henning on May 21, 2023, 01:37:49 PMTrue of an old schoolmate of mine, too, the culprit being David Copperfield ... so that he wound up pursuing a doctorate in Lit. I don't know how it was that I never read any Dickens in HS.

Love David Copperfield. My wife will cry anytime she picks up A Tale of Two Cities (and too Les Miserables from Hugo, but that might be sheer length!)

VS
All the good music has already been written by people with wigs and stuff. - Frank Zappa

My Musical Musings

Florestan

Quote from: Karl Henning on May 21, 2023, 01:37:49 PMTrue of an old schoolmate of mine, too, the culprit being David Copperfield ... so that he wound up pursuing a doctorate in Lit. I don't know how it was that I never read any Dickens in HS.

My very first Dickens love was Nicholas Nickleby.
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Karl Henning

Quote from: VonStupp on May 21, 2023, 01:39:32 PMLove David Copperfield. My wife will cry anytime she picks up A Tale of Two Cities (and too Les Miserables from Hugo, but that might be sheer length!)

VS

I was pursuing my Master's by the time I read Copperfield. Love it unreservedly! I was in Tallinn, Estonia when I read Great Expectations. Love it, too!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

VonStupp

Quote from: Karl Henning on May 21, 2023, 01:42:45 PMI was pursuing my Master's by the time I read Copperfield. Love it unreservedly! I was in Tallinn, Estonia when I read Great Expectations. Love it, too!

I love engaging students in Great Expectations if I can, but I think many of them are daunted by the sheer number of characters.

I feel like I should pick this up in the Pickwick Club thread instead of Worst Great Literary Work that we are gushing over! ;D

Cheers! VS
All the good music has already been written by people with wigs and stuff. - Frank Zappa

My Musical Musings

Florestan

Call me a philistine --- I vastly prefer Dickens to any Russian save Turgenev;D
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham