Mozart Piano Concertos

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Bunny

Quote from: DarkAngel on February 12, 2010, 06:49:28 AM

Bunny was referring to post directly above mine saying Brautigam will begin to record complete Mozart piano concertos (in addition to existing sonatas boxset) and I will "try" to wait for eventual reduced price boxset before purchase

Ah!  That post was on a different "page" on this computer so I didn't see it.  Brautigam doing the concertos?  I wonder if I will be able to wait for the box set, especially if the reviews are very enthusiastic. 

Bunny

Have just looked at the link originally posted by Clever Hans.  Questions about this concerto cycle abound!  Will they use modern instruments or period instruments is the big one.  Brautigam's Beethoven concertos were recorded on modern instruments for Bis, a choice I was perplexed by.  I suppose that with the Mozart now in the works, the rest of the Beethoven concertos cycle may be  waiting for release.

Clever Hans

Quote from: Bunny on February 12, 2010, 07:21:44 AM
Have just looked at the link originally posted by Clever Hans.  Questions about this concerto cycle abound!  Will they use modern instruments or period instruments is the big one.  Brautigam's Beethoven concertos were recorded on modern instruments for Bis, a choice I was perplexed by.  I suppose that with the Mozart now in the works, the rest of the Beethoven concertos cycle may be  waiting for release.

On this youtube post, in the comments section, the author claims to have received an email reply from Brautigam himself indicating that it will be with period instruments. Considering the rest of the information is accurate, I doubt he's making it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9_Wqa3oEdg

DarkAngel

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Quote from: Clever Hans on February 12, 2010, 10:12:15 AM
On this youtube post, in the comments section, the author claims to have received an email reply from Brautigam himself indicating that it will be with period instruments. Considering the rest of the information is accurate, I doubt he's making it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9_Wqa3oEdg

Be shocked if it wasn't fortepiano version, here is a youtube showing Brautigam playing Mozart piano concerto 20 using fortepiano.......a taste of things to come! Wonderful short cadenza work at 5:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVnk2pVw_FA&feature=related

Opus106

Quote from: DarkAngel on February 12, 2010, 10:28:55 AM

Be shocked if it wasn't fortepiano version, here is a youtube showing Brautigam playing Mozart piano concerto 20 using fortepiano.......a taste of things to come! Wonderful short cadenza work at 5:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVnk2pVw_FA&feature=related

I find it interesting that he is centrally placed, almost within the orchestra. I'm sure if I dig through Gurn's Classical thread, I'll find a mention somewhere that this was how concerti were performed in the 18th century. :)
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Navneeth

George

Quote from: Opus106 on February 12, 2010, 10:34:10 AM
I find it interesting that he is centrally placed, almost within the orchestra. I'm sure if I dig through Gurn's Classical thread, I'll find a mention somewhere that this was how concerti were performed in the 18th century. :)

I really enjoyed it. Very nice performance.

Opus106

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Quote from: George on February 12, 2010, 10:37:52 AM
I really enjoyed it. Very nice performance.

Ditto. And as DA mentioned, it was wonderful and short cadenza. What I want hear is the cadenza for the first movt., where for me Beethoven's is the favourite. (Strange me.)
Regards,
Navneeth

Franco

Quote from: DarkAngel on February 12, 2010, 10:28:55 AM

Be shocked if it wasn't fortepiano version, here is a youtube showing Brautigam playing Mozart piano concerto 20 using fortepiano.......a taste of things to come! Wonderful short cadenza work at 5:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVnk2pVw_FA&feature=related

Very nice.  I usually prefer modern piano in the Mozart PC but this instrument sounds great, and I do like his interpretative choices.  I may get some individual disks of these.  But I wish he'd get a haircut.

DavidW

Add me to the list of "that was awesome!"  Very colorful playing from Brautigam... does he ever disappoint? :)

Bunny

Quote from: Clever Hans on February 12, 2010, 10:12:15 AM
On this youtube post, in the comments section, the author claims to have received an email reply from Brautigam himself indicating that it will be with period instruments. Considering the rest of the information is accurate, I doubt he's making it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9_Wqa3oEdg

Excellent!  Hope I can wait for the box set too, but it's going to be hard.  :-*

Clever Hans

Quote from: DarkAngel on February 12, 2010, 10:28:55 AM

Be shocked if it wasn't fortepiano version, here is a youtube showing Brautigam playing Mozart piano concerto 20 using fortepiano.......a taste of things to come! Wonderful short cadenza work at 5:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVnk2pVw_FA&feature=related

God, it must be so much fun to be able to do that.

Elgarian

Quote from: DarkAngel on February 12, 2010, 10:28:55 AM
here is a youtube showing Brautigam playing Mozart piano concerto 20 using fortepiano.......a taste of things to come! Wonderful short cadenza work at 5:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVnk2pVw_FA&feature=related

My goodness. Now that is the Real Thing, and no mistake. Breathtaking. Bursting with life. I have the box of Brautigam's Mozart sonatas lying nearby (as yet unopened), and I can see I'm in for an interesting time!

Herman

Quote from: DarkAngel on February 11, 2010, 06:37:00 AM


I think Elgarian has really made a great find with the Annerose Schmidt set, great price at JPC with complete short samples. In some ways reminds me of the Geza Anda set with fleet tempos that sparkle with imagination and wit, Masur has never sounded this good to me, puts a smile on my face I am a buyer..........

http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Wolfgang-Amadeus-Mozart-21-Klavierkonzerte/hnum/6348294

Please report back when you have listened to the set. I listened to a couple of samples and didn't think it was really competitive.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Opus106 on February 12, 2010, 10:34:10 AM
I find it interesting that he is centrally placed, almost within the orchestra. I'm sure if I dig through Gurn's Classical thread, I'll find a mention somewhere that this was how concerti were performed in the 18th century. :)

I don't know the answer but Barenboim's performances with a downsized Berlin Phil also has the piano within the orchestra. Here's the last movement of the 22nd, K.482:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHDSY0QLXgY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNKkP2ruP9w


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DavidRoss

Although I heard much to admire in the Brautigam clip, the pianoforte's sound and lack of power make it unsatisfactory as far as I'm concerned.  Otherwise I love the sound of period instruments and tend to prefer HIP performances on period instruments...but not when it comes to piano--solo, chamber, or especially in piano concertos.  The modern piano may be the instrument best able to hold its own against an orchestra.  The pianoforte is overwhelmed, even with an appropriately proportioned orchestra such as the one in the clip above.

Note--I'm not saying others must share my preferences, that there's only one "right" way to hear or think about such things, but only offering another point of view for this community's consideration.

And...does anyone else enjoy the irony that much of this thread focuses on period or HIP recordings, whereas the HIP thread seems to be discussing big-band concerto performances?  ;)
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Elgarian

Quote from: DavidRoss on February 14, 2010, 07:19:56 AM
the pianoforte's sound and lack of power make it unsatisfactory as far as I'm concerned.

I think I understand exactly how anyone could feel that, who finds the actual physical sound character of the modern piano enjoyable. But I've always struggled somewhat with the sound of a piano (I think this is partly physiological in origin, not musical), and so stumbling across the fortepiano, which seems somehow to deliver all the things I like about a piano and none of the things I don't - well, that's a bonus not to be sniffed at, because it means that vast swathes of material that I've ignored have suddenly become accessible. So I think my attraction to fortepiano works is a bit more complicated than just an attraction to things HIP. On the other hand, now I'm listening to a lot of fortepiano, I'm finding that my tolerance of modern piano is improving (eg the Schmidt/Masur concertos), so there seems to be some sort of learning process going on which I don't claim to understand, but it sure is exciting.

Franco

Quote from: DavidRoss on February 14, 2010, 07:19:56 AM
Although I heard much to admire in the Brautigam clip, the pianoforte's sound and lack of power make it unsatisfactory as far as I'm concerned.  Otherwise I love the sound of period instruments and tend to prefer HIP performances on period instruments...but not when it comes to piano--solo, chamber, or especially in piano concertos.  The modern piano may be the instrument best able to hold its own against an orchestra.  The pianoforte is overwhelmed, even with an appropriately proportioned orchestra such as the one in the clip above.

Note--I'm not saying others must share my preferences, that there's only one "right" way to hear or think about such things, but only offering another point of view for this community's consideration.

And...does anyone else enjoy the irony that much of this thread focuses on period or HIP recordings, whereas the HIP thread seems to be discussing big-band concerto performances?  ;)

I generally agree with you and have not enjoyed the sound of the fortepiano except in a few recordings and those of either small ensembles or solo.  This clip has been the only one of a PC using a fp that I found did not exhibit the dwarfing effect as badly as most of the others, in varying degrees (the worst in this regard has been a Jorg Demus Haydn Concerto recording that was absolutely horrible).  I have the Immerseel PCs and find them okay but not nearly as enjoyable, from a sound perspective, as any of my other sets using a piano.  However, the sound on this clip was much better than anything I've heard before and I probably will sample one or two of the disks as they come out.

I am not doctrinaire in either direction and am always interested in hearing new recordings of the works I consider the core canon, i.e. Beethoven Symphonies, Mozart PC, Haydn String Quartets - among many others.

Scarpia

Nowhere near a complete set, but the recordings from this series are mind-blowing, IMO.



Que

Quote from: Scarpia on February 14, 2010, 08:08:28 AM
Nowhere near a complete set, but the recordings from this series are mind-blowing, IMO.



Indeed! :) As I've mentioned before, Staier should be tied to a chair until he has recorded all Mozart concertos, and while he's at it he might as well do the entire Schubert solo works as well. 8) But I'm afraid, no such luck sofar. :-\

BTW that recording is probably hard to get or overpriced, but availble with its companion Mozart PC disc in this set:



Quote from: DavidRoss on February 14, 2010, 07:19:56 AM

And...does anyone else enjoy the irony that much of this thread focuses on period or HIP recordings, whereas the HIP thread seems to be discussing big-band concerto performances?  ;)

The fact that period performances are now more generally accepted and judged on their own musical merits as any other performance is much cause for satisfaction, absolutely.  :) In the last two years or so, things have fortunately changed a lot in that respect. No irony in that. 8)

Q

George

Quote from: Que on February 14, 2010, 12:58:14 PM
Indeed! :) As I've mentioned before, Staier should be tied to a chair until he has recorded all Mozart concertos, and while he's at it he might as well do the entire Schubert solo works as well. 8)

Sounds like it'd make a cool reality series.  8)