Gerald Finzi

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Pohjolas Daughter

Banfield and Dickinson rather sound like these 'chaps'



[Waldorf and Statler]

PD

Spenserian

 Sad to hear about the Banfield book, but is it still worth acquiring and reading? Does anybody have experience with the later Diana McVeagh biography, does it fare better?

calyptorhynchus

Quote from: Spenserian on August 24, 2023, 10:35:43 AMSad to hear about the Banfield book, but is it still worth acquiring and reading? Does anybody have experience with the later Diana McVeagh biography, does it fare better?

Don't get me wrong, Banfield's book is very valuable, it's just I have a feeling that he doesn't like Finzi's music much. Also there's an argument about the English pastoral school and the figure of the minor composer going on that isn't very interesting to me.

McVeagh's book is delightful, she loves Finzi's music. It isn't quite as long or as a detailed as Banfield's book. Both are worth reading though.
'Many men are melancholy by hearing music, but it is a pleasing melancholy that it causeth.' Robert Burton

'...is it not strange that sheepes guts should hale soules out of mens bodies?' Benedick in Much Ado About Nothing

Spenserian

Quote from: calyptorhynchus on August 24, 2023, 05:33:34 PMDon't get me wrong, Banfield's book is very valuable, it's just I have a feeling that he doesn't like Finzi's music much. Also there's an argument about the English pastoral school and the figure of the minor composer going on that isn't very interesting to me.

McVeagh's book is delightful, she loves Finzi's music. It isn't quite as long or as a detailed as Banfield's book. Both are worth reading though.
All right, thanks a lot, I will get both! Are you still willing to sell the book of leters too? I can basically only find it new and very expensive.

Finzi is among the first classical composers that grabbed me as a teenager, next to Copland and Mozart. Someone on Youtube uploaded a lot of his works and their emotional sincrity and sweep captivated me, as did his setting of English poems, as I went on to study English. I've longed to study him in more detail.

calyptorhynchus

As Hurwitz would say 'a resounding Do Not Buy':



I have rarely heard a worse professional recording of anything. The soprano just doesn't sing very well (I wouldn't mind her Italian accent, but I do mind her poor phrasing and the awful balance between her and the orchestra). Words fail me with the Clarinet Concerto, the soloist is quite good and generally keeps the orchestra together while he is playing, but when he is not... :-(

Dies Natalis is one of the most difficult vocal pieces to pull off because it requires great delicacy and a floating quality to the voice that most singers, tenors or sopranos, just can't do. For a soprano version my go to is Valdine Anderson with the Manitoba Chamber Orchestra.
'Many men are melancholy by hearing music, but it is a pleasing melancholy that it causeth.' Robert Burton

'...is it not strange that sheepes guts should hale soules out of mens bodies?' Benedick in Much Ado About Nothing

Roasted Swan

Quote from: calyptorhynchus on May 12, 2025, 01:25:58 AMAs Hurwitz would say 'a resounding Do Not Buy':



I have rarely heard a worse professional recording of anything. The soprano just doesn't sing very well (I wouldn't mind her Italian accent, but I do mind her poor phrasing and the awful balance between her and the orchestra). Words fail me with the Clarinet Concerto, the soloist is quite good and generally keeps the orchestra together while he is playing, but when he is not... :-(

Dies Natalis is one of the most difficult vocal pieces to pull off because it requires great delicacy and a floating quality to the voice that most singers, tenors or sopranos, just can't do. For a soprano version my go to is Valdine Anderson with the Manitoba Chamber Orchestra.

Oh what a shame - the wish is always that this kind of music gets played and appreciated beyond the UK because it is glorious.  Never heard a soprano sing Dies Natalis but I can imagine with the right light lyric voice it would be very effective.

DaveF

Quote from: calyptorhynchus on May 12, 2025, 01:25:58 AMAs Hurwitz would say 'a resounding Do Not Buy':
Oh dear - of course, with an intro like that, I had to have a listen.  I think they take generally slow tempi in the concerto because they just can't play it any faster.  Finzi's harmonic language already has its share of strange (but beautiful) dissonance, but these guys add some extra, just for us.  And Susanna Rigacci's performance goes beyond the bad and becomes an instant classic of awfulness.  As far as her non-command of English pronunciation goes, I found myself thinking of this:

(except that Schreier's performance is at least beautiful and sensitive - how could it not be? - unlike Ms Rigacci's)
"All the world is birthday cake" - George Harrison

kyjo

Quote from: calyptorhynchus on May 12, 2025, 01:25:58 AMAs Hurwitz would say 'a resounding Do Not Buy':



I have rarely heard a worse professional recording of anything. The soprano just doesn't sing very well (I wouldn't mind her Italian accent, but I do mind her poor phrasing and the awful balance between her and the orchestra). Words fail me with the Clarinet Concerto, the soloist is quite good and generally keeps the orchestra together while he is playing, but when he is not... :-(

Dies Natalis is one of the most difficult vocal pieces to pull off because it requires great delicacy and a floating quality to the voice that most singers, tenors or sopranos, just can't do. For a soprano version my go to is Valdine Anderson with the Manitoba Chamber Orchestra.

Well, thanks for the heads up! I generally try to avoid recordings on the Brilliant Classics label unless there are no alternatives in the repertoire. The label seems to have a habit of hiring amateurish, usually Italian, musicians for their recordings. A shame, since Finzi's beautiful music doesn't deserve to be maligned by poor performances, but we are at least fortunate to have several fine previous recordings of the works on that Brilliant CD. The same can't be said for the some other repertoire the label records in a substandard fashion, like the Salgado symphonies...
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff