Finest Cycle of Non-Austro-Germanic Piano Sonatas?

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Florestan

Quote from: hopefullytrusting on September 01, 2024, 12:43:55 PMTwo can most definitely make a cycle - this happens a lot with piano pieces

No argument from me here.
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Florestan

Quote from: hopefullytrusting on September 01, 2024, 12:43:55 PMGeorge Walker's 5 piano sonatas are my pick for this list.

Are they on YT or free Spotify?
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Florestan

"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Karl Henning

I'm inclined to call a pair a diptych, but I'm also disinclined to foster argument on the point.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

DavidW

My list:

Scarlatti
Prokofiev
Boulez
Schnittke
Scriabin
Clementi

Florestan

Quote from: Karl Henning on September 01, 2024, 02:42:19 PMI'm inclined to call a pair a diptych, but I'm also disinclined to foster argument on the point.

Call it, Karl! Have no fear!







"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Luke

Quote from: DavidW on September 01, 2024, 02:43:10 PMMy list:

Scarlatti
Prokofiev
Boulez
Schnittke
Scriabin
Clementi

Schnittke is a good call there, and reminded me of Silvestrov's sonatas which are interesting, fine works IMO

Maestro267

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on September 01, 2024, 11:35:40 AMWhy? The sonatas 1 and 3 exist and they can qualify as a cycle despite the absence of the 2nd.

I stand corrected. Though you should have specified 3 in parentheses.

Luke

#48
A few more, each with multiple contributions to the genre:

Ornstein
Roslavetz
Feinberg
Ullmann
Miaskovsky
Hoddinott

Luke

Oh, and how can I forget, the most prolific of the lot, the weird and wonderful (and recently deceased) John White. So much fun! 180+ sonatas...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_White_(composer)

Mandryka

#50
James Clarke
Philippe Manoury
Chris Newman
Salvatore Sciarrino
Horatio Radulescu
Sergei Prokofiev
Alfred Schnittke
John Cage
Ferruccio Busoni
Alexander Scriabin
Franz Liszt
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Luke

#51
Radulescu - yes! G4eat pieces, a proper cycle.
Sciarrino, similarly
Busoni definitely, if we're allowed sonatinas. Works of major importance and great beauty. And what a stylistic range!

Cage - I'm not sure they really count, they're part of a single work. Though I considered suggesting them myself!

Mandryka

Quote from: Luke on September 02, 2024, 08:46:06 AMOh, and how can I forget, the most prolific of the lot, the weird and wonderful (and recently deceased) John White. So much fun! 180+ sonatas...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_White_(composer)

Have you heard Chris Newman's sonatas?
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Luke

I'm aware and have seen scores but I've not heard anything.

Mandryka

#54
Quote from: Luke on September 02, 2024, 09:36:02 AMI'm aware and have seen scores but I've not heard anything.

Michael Finnissy recorded some of them - I think he's a good composer. I'm listening now to the Sibelius sonatinas - interesting, lovely music.

A sonatina is presumably a little sonata!
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Wanderer

Quote from: Florestan on September 01, 2024, 10:31:16 AM[CENSORED] ;D

I don't believe any of them would condone the current situation in Russia.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Luke on September 02, 2024, 08:41:22 AMA few more, each with multiple contributions to the genre:

Ornstein
Roslavetz
Feinberg
Ullmann
Miaskovsky
Hoddinott
I need to wade into the Myaskovsky sonatas. And much as I've enjoyed the odd Ornstein piece, it hadn't occurred to me to see about sonatas.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Luke

#57
There's some great stuff there. Not as iconoclastic as early Ornstein, much more romantic-Rachmaninoffy in style.

Edit - to be more precise, we only have sonatas 4 to 8, and 4 is from near the beginning of his enormously long career (1918) whilst the others are at the other end (no 8 is 1990). 4 is the most Rachmaninov-like of the lot, despite its proximity to his wildest and most famous works. The later sonatas are less easily accessible than no 4, in general, but still much less barbed and more traditional in texture than those magnificent early masterpieces.

Florestan

Quote from: Wanderer on September 02, 2024, 09:47:33 AMI don't believe any of them would condone the current situation in Russia.

Oh, absolutely. I was just joking.
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

pjme



"Embracing pianistic templates in a refreshing way, integrating short pieces into a larger form and the sound of a Straight Strung Concert Grande (a concert grand piano from Chris Maene's piano factory) formed the starting point. The short sonatas walk through all the keys, such as Bach's Wohltemperirtes Clavier or Chopin's Preludes. They each have a clear connection with existing forms and old composers, or are inspired by them. For example, we hear a jazzy Scarlatti, a quiet continuation of the moving accompaniment figure of the Lacrimosa from Mozart's Requiem, dreamy Bach-like reflections and a theme from a Mozart sonata that suddenly leans towards minor, but also more autonomous music. Everything melodious and accessible, but never lazy or soft. Pianistic investigations with a surprising angle. Small gems that string together to form a beautiful whole. The grand piano with all the strings stretched parallel sounds direct and expressive. A joy to listen to."

24 sonatas fit on 1 cd!
Piet Swerts