Kennedy Center Bans Concert

[owlice]

The bottom line is that Todd's thoughts on the Kennedy Center are completely irrelevant to its fate. 

OT: Anyone want some Starbursts? I've got loads; not enough trick-or-treaters, alas!

[Todd]

The bottom line is that Todd's thoughts on the Kennedy Center are completely irrelevant to its fate. 

The same applies to everyone here. 

[owlice]

The same applies to everyone here.

Hahahaha, no, it doesn't.

You aren't and apparently never have been a patron of the Kennedy Center, and I doubt you have ever donated to it. Patrons and donors are not irrelevant. If patrons were irrelevant, the Washington Post wouldn't be writing articles about the drop in their attendance. If donors were irrelevant, the Kennedy Center wouldn't court them and recognize them in various ways.

Your thoughts are completely irrelevant to the fate of the Kennedy Center; it is nothing to you and you are nothing to it.

It is something to a good number of people, though (as you yourself mentioned earlier) -- including patrons and donors -- and a good number of people -- including patrons and donors -- are something to it. Their thoughts are not irrelevant, because they can act on their thoughts and can, and do, affect the Kennedy Center's fate. For details, please see the Washington Post articles previously posted (and maybe actually read them this time).

[Todd]

Hahahaha, no, it doesn't.

Yes, of course it does.  No one here gives material donations to the Kennedy Center.  Small donors don't sway anything in any institution.  But institutions everywhere gladly solicit/beg for small donations.  It's part of the game.  Another part of the game is to make small donors feel special, important, etc. 

Precisely as I wrote before, the Kennedy Center matters to a very small slice of the population, and to no one else.  That is an objective fact which your posts merely reinforce.

[owlice]

Yes, of course it does.

Nope. Of course a performing arts venue needs patrons and donors, and yes, they do affect the fate of the venue (which is, again, why the Washington Post has been writing about it -- please DO consider actually reading the articles), but you in your impotence are of course free to continue to believe otherwise and troll accordingly.

[Todd]

Nope. Of course a performing arts venue needs patrons and donors, and yes, they do affect the fate of the venue (which is, again, why the Washington Post has been writing about it -- please DO consider actually reading the articles), but you in your impotence are of course free to continue to believe otherwise and troll accordingly.

Evidently, if you have given to the Kennedy Center or not, the outreach programs have worked as designed.  No one on this forum, individually or collectively, has or have had any impact on the direction of, or financial stability of the Kennedy Center.  The last bit of your post would no doubt be considered sharp by some.

[owlice]

Evidently, if you have given to the Kennedy Center or not, the outreach programs have worked as designed.  No one on this forum, individually or collectively, has or have had any impact on the direction of, or financial stability of the Kennedy Center.  The last bit of your post would no doubt be considered sharp by some.

hahahahahaha! You believe that because you have no influence, neither can others. Again, that isn't true, but please continue to believe that if you'd like.

[Todd]

hahahahahaha! You believe that because you have no influence, neither can others. Again, that isn't true, but please continue to believe that if you'd like.

I never once stated than no one can have influence.  That's obviously incorrect.  No one else on GMG can have any influence on what happens at the Kennedy Center.  That is a fact.  Unless you personally are giving sustaining donations of six figures or more to the Kennedy Center, nothing you do has any influence.  The same applies to everyone else on the forum.  Getting a name in a program, or perhaps a plaque on a seat, or perhaps attending a nice luncheon does not influence anything. 

[owlice]

I never once stated than no one can have influence.  That's obviously incorrect.  No one else on GMG can have any influence on what happens at the Kennedy Center.  That is a fact.

No, it's not a fact, but I do absolutely agree with you that you have no influence.

[arpeggio]

Most of the citizens of Frost Bite Falls, Minnesota probably do not know what the Kennedy Center is.

They also probably do not know the difference between the Mozart and Mahler.

There are some members of the classical music community in the United States who have an anima toward the United State Government funding the arts in our country.  As such, they do not care what happens to the Kennedy Center.  They also probably do not care what happens to the Metropolitan Opera.

There are those of us in the classical community in America who do care.  In spite of their rhetoric, I seriously that the anti-Kennedy Center faction will change our minds. 

The best policy is just to ignore them.

[Kalevala]

Nope. Of course a performing arts venue needs patrons and donors, and yes, they do affect the fate of the venue (which is, again, why the Washington Post has been writing about it....

I have only been there once (as I was visiting in the area at the time) and remember seeing and enjoying a play there. 

I've given various amounts to different organizations over the years--nothing that would get a wing named after me  and though not much, I do think that every little bit does help.  My one gripe/request to them would be:  PLEASE, PLEASE do not keep sending me so many requests--either via mail or email!  Save your money and my time.

K

[Todd]

No, it's not a fact, but I do absolutely agree with you that you have no influence.

No, it is a fact that no one on GMG has any impact on what is happening at the Kennedy Center.  No one on this forum is wealthy enough to have an impact on such an organization.

To clarify your impact on the Kennedy Center, how much money have you donated to support the Kennedy Center over the years? 

I have donated no money to the Kennedy Center, or any other arts organization.  I do, from time to time, spend money to buy tickets to various events put on by various arts organizations.  In so doing, I have as much impact as any other member of GMG does on any other arts institution.  At several events, I have purchased original artworks directly from artists.  My purchases had no impact on the lives of those artists beyond any momentary satisfaction they may have had transacting the sale. It's as obvious as the fact that small donors have no impact on the direction of any institution.

[ritter]

GMG seems to have been converted into some kind of high school debate society...

O ciel, che noia!

[Todd]

GMG seems to have been converted into some kind of high school debate society...

It's the internet, and the fate of sites as they decline into irrelevance and a couple dozen active users.

[relm1]

GMG seems to have been converted into some kind of high school debate society...

O ciel, che noia!

I was in high school debate club and saying we've been converted to that level would be an upgrade.   At least then, we brought arguments, citations, and active listening skills. Here it's just a troll making assertions and ignoring anything that isn't reinforcing what he heard in his echo chamber.

[Todd]

Many posters on GMG crave an echo chamber.  Repeated misuse of the word trolling, or any of its variants, demonstrates that. 

[Kalevala]

Many posters on GMG crave an echo chamber.  Repeated misuse of the word trolling, or any of its variants, demonstrates that.

So, Todd...perhaps share (maybe elsewhere?) what artists and/or institutions that you like frequenting?  And yes, I do think that the artists whose original artwork you buy DO appreciate it; for I suspect that for the majority of them, it's how they survive and are able to do what they love and make a living off of it.

K

[Todd]

So, Todd...perhaps share (maybe elsewhere?) what artists and/or institutions that you like frequenting?

The topic at hand is the Kennedy Center.  I occasionally post about various other art consumption, or appreciation to the high-minded, in various other threads as appropriate.

[Kalevala]

The topic at hand is the Kennedy Center.  I occasionally post about various other art consumption, or appreciation to the high-minded, in various other threads as appropriate.

Yes, that's why I suggested elsewhere; and I have read about you visiting (at least one museum).  I would be happy to read about artists whose work that you have bought (I don't recall you mentioning anyone re that).  If I missed other ones whose work you had bought, I would be happy to check them out.

K

[SimonNZ]

Many posters on GMG crave an echo chamber.  Repeated misuse of the word trolling, or any of its variants, demonstrates that.

If that were true then nobody would be asking you to elaborate on your statements and nobody would care when you rudely refuse to do so. They know you have a different opinion and want to have, ideally, a polite, good-faith back and forth. But you don't want that from them.

Just drop in a provocation and chuckle at people being provoked. What's the word for that?


Don't bother replying with nothing more than "Wrong as usual". I'm done with this.