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Re: The Snowshoed Sibelius
« Reply #3040 on: August 31, 2021, 09:30:40 AM »
Man, I hope Dancing Divertimentian is OK. I met him three or four years ago for about ten minutes - he was living nearby and selling me his copy of Muza Rubackyte's Liszt Années. It sounded like he had a fairly stressful job in the court system but he was a very nice guy. Good taste in music too.

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« Reply #3041 on: August 31, 2021, 10:32:20 AM »
Man, I hope Dancing Divertimentian is OK. I met him three or four years ago for about ten minutes - he was living nearby and selling me his copy of Muza Rubackyte's Liszt Années. It sounded like he had a fairly stressful job in the court system but he was a very nice guy. Good taste in music too.

If you know him or have his number, perhaps you could reach out to him and see if he’s okay?
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« Reply #3042 on: August 31, 2021, 12:26:35 PM »
Man, I hope Dancing Divertimentian is OK. I met him three or four years ago for about ten minutes - he was living nearby and selling me his copy of Muza Rubackyte's Liszt Années. It sounded like he had a fairly stressful job in the court system but he was a very nice guy. Good taste in music too.

Those are phenomenal performances for a complete Annees, my favorite by a pretty wide margin.

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« Reply #3043 on: August 31, 2021, 04:13:49 PM »
I certainly" heard winter" in the opening of the Sixth the first time I heard it (and without being told that it what I "should hear." By which, all I mean is that I myself have no problem with that.

Not sure if it was the first time I heard it, but my associating the first movement with sleigh rides and wintry landscapes certainly didn't come from someone else's suggestion, nor did it have anything to do with some stereotypical idea that Finland is locked in perpetual winter (I knew better than that!). I was actually pleasantly surprised when I read of Sibelius's phrase "shadows lengthen" for the piece, as that kind of imagery has always come to my mind when listening to it.

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« Reply #3044 on: August 31, 2021, 04:22:14 PM »
I should be clear (if I wasn't already) that I have no problem with winter imagery in places where Sibelius himself made relevant allusions.

I just have a problem with slathering the exact same imagery over so many things. For one thing it suggests that Sibelius himself had a severely limited imagination.
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« Reply #3045 on: September 01, 2021, 08:07:56 AM »
Slathering and music don't mix, to be sure.
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« Reply #3046 on: September 08, 2021, 04:21:29 AM »
Excellent. Will be curious to read your impressions of this Karajan 4th on DG.

I finally got to this, it's a great performance. The Berglund/Bournemouth remains my favorite, incredibly dark and brooding.

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« Reply #3047 on: September 08, 2021, 05:41:02 AM »
I finally got to this, it's a great performance. The Berglund/Bournemouth remains my favorite, incredibly dark and brooding.

The Karajan isn’t exactly sunshine and daisies either. ;) Good to read you enjoyed the performance, though. I like the Berglund/Bournemouth as well. I definitely prefer Berglund’s first thoughts on Sibelius compared to any of the later recordings he made.
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« Reply #3048 on: September 24, 2021, 09:27:21 AM »


Nos 3, 6 and 7.

Rozhdestvensky’s ‘crime-against-humanity-Sibelius’ never ceases to thrill and fascinate. The 6th here has got to be the brassiest, most rythmically edge-of-the-seat version I know. No romantically glowing northern lights à la Karajan, this. It’s like watching a tightrope walker reach the other end of the chasm. As for the 3rd, it’s easily the iciest and most exciting one I know. I love it.

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« Reply #3049 on: September 24, 2021, 10:53:41 PM »


Nos 3, 6 and 7.

Rozhdestvensky’s ‘crime-against-humanity-Sibelius’ never ceases to thrill and fascinate. The 6th here has got to be the brassiest, most rythmically edge-of-the-seat version I know. No romantically glowing northern lights à la Karajan, this. It’s like watching a tightrope walker reach the other end of the chasm. As for the 3rd, it’s easily the iciest and most exciting one I know. I love it.

Also, the 4th is one of the darkest.
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« Reply #3050 on: September 25, 2021, 12:59:12 AM »


Nos 3, 6 and 7.

Rozhdestvensky’s ‘crime-against-humanity-Sibelius’ never ceases to thrill and fascinate. The 6th here has got to be the brassiest, most rythmically edge-of-the-seat version I know. No romantically glowing northern lights à la Karajan, this. It’s like watching a tightrope walker reach the other end of the chasm. As for the 3rd, it’s easily the iciest and most exciting one I know. I love it.
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« Reply #3051 on: September 25, 2021, 09:30:36 AM »


Nos 3, 6 and 7.

Rozhdestvensky’s ‘crime-against-humanity-Sibelius’ never ceases to thrill and fascinate. The 6th here has got to be the brassiest, most rythmically edge-of-the-seat version I know. No romantically glowing northern lights à la Karajan, this. It’s like watching a tightrope walker reach the other end of the chasm. As for the 3rd, it’s easily the iciest and most exciting one I know. I love it.

Hmm, why's it a crime against humanity?

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« Reply #3052 on: September 25, 2021, 11:35:44 AM »
Hmm, why's it a crime against humanity?

Dixit David Hurwitz. Check about 1/3 of the way through this thread for a discussion on the matter  ;).

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« Reply #3053 on: September 25, 2021, 11:42:30 AM »
So, yet another dumb thing that Hurwitz said ....
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« Reply #3054 on: September 25, 2021, 08:00:35 PM »


Nos 3, 6 and 7.

Rozhdestvensky’s ‘crime-against-humanity-Sibelius’ never ceases to thrill and fascinate. The 6th here has got to be the brassiest, most rythmically edge-of-the-seat version I know. No romantically glowing northern lights à la Karajan, this. It’s like watching a tightrope walker reach the other end of the chasm. As for the 3rd, it’s easily the iciest and most exciting one I know. I love it.

You've certainly piqued my interest, Andre. I must dig this set out from storage and give it a listen. It's been a long time time since I've heard it, but I remember my impressions overall were quite favorable. Much more favorable than Hurwitz's who I think was unfairly harsh in his criticism about this set. There's more than one way to skin a cat and the plethora of Sibelius interpretations that are out there are proof of this fact.
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« Reply #3055 on: September 26, 2021, 05:12:22 AM »
I'm really sad I missed that box when it was in print. It sounds totally fascinating.

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« Reply #3056 on: September 26, 2021, 05:36:32 AM »
I'm really sad I missed that box when it was in print. It sounds totally fascinating.

Yikes! :o Some jackal has it for $334 on Amazon MP:

https://www.amazon.com/Sibelius-Symphonies-1-7-Jean/dp/B003GT37LG/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Sibelius+Rozhdestvensky&qid=1632666827&s=music&sr=1-1

It's certainly not cheap on Discogs either:

https://www.discogs.com/Sibelius-Gennady-Rozhdestvensky-Moscow-Radio-Symphony-Orchestra-The-Symphonies/release/8801618

I'm glad I pounced on this set when it came out many years ago, although I'm a bit surprised it hasn't been reissued again.
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« Reply #3057 on: September 26, 2021, 06:35:06 AM »
What I do own is a full-size print of the cover painting, framed in the house here. It's been one of my favorite paintings since I saw it in real life at London's National Gallery. And, as all the record labels know, it pairs perfectly with Finnish music.

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« Reply #3058 on: September 26, 2021, 06:37:20 AM »
Yep, I like Gallen-Kallela's work, too.
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« Reply #3059 on: September 26, 2021, 07:31:16 AM »
Yep, I like Gallen-Kallela's work, too.
Me too - I have a framed print of Lake Keitele in my 'Man Cave' at the bottom of the garden.
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