The Snowshoed Sibelius

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Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: Mirror Image on September 18, 2014, 08:41:02 PM
Not for me. If I had to pick a favorite work it would Symphony No. 4. It's turbulent, but completely bold and genuine in its directness. It also shows a transition from darkness to light and all of the conflicts and confrontations in-between. Truly a masterpiece.

The fourth symphony is definitely up there. A perfect sidekick to the violin concerto.



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Mirror Image

Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on September 19, 2014, 04:17:10 PM
The fourth symphony is definitely up there. A perfect sidekick to the violin concerto.

Another Sibelius work which just completely mesmerizes me is The Oceanides. I simply can't believe my ears each time I listen to it.

Jo498

Can someone recommend a recording of the "symphonic poems" besides Finlandia and Tapiola? I think I haven't even heard most of them.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
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Quote from: Jo498 on September 20, 2014, 01:25:32 AM
Can someone recommend a recording of the "symphonic poems" besides Finlandia and Tapiola? I think I haven't even heard most of them.

Here's a recent thread on the subject:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,23518.msg827323.html#msg827323


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the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
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Mirror Image

Quote from: Jo498 on September 20, 2014, 01:25:32 AM
Can someone recommend a recording of the "symphonic poems" besides Finlandia and Tapiola? I think I haven't even heard most of them.

Yes, try this recording:



I'm not sure of this recording's availability nowadays, but it will definitely get your foot into the door. Fine performances from Vanska/Lahti all-around.

Jaakko Keskinen

What do you think is Sibbe's best symphonic poem? Most people answer Finlandia (from which I've heard that, considering it's origins, it isn't symphonic poem technically at all), Swan of Tuonela (which was intended as overture for his wagnerian opera project) or Tapiola which I like all but there are so many other high-quality symphonic poems. Even smaller ones such as The Dryad. If I had to say one it is without a question Pohjola's daughter. It is overwhelming. I find it kind of sad that Sibelius never composed tone poem about Sampo in Kalevala.

And some people here seem to really like The Wood Nymph.
"Javert, though frightful, had nothing ignoble about him. Probity, sincerity, candor, conviction, the sense of duty, are things which may become hideous when wrongly directed; but which, even when hideous, remain grand."

- Victor Hugo

North Star

Quote from: Alberich on September 20, 2014, 10:07:06 AM
What do you think is Sibbe's best symphonic poem? Most people answer Finlandia...
I'd hate to be most people.
Quote...(from which I've heard that, considering it's origins, it isn't symphonic poem technically at all), Swan of Tuonela (which was intended as overture for his wagnerian opera project) or Tapiola which I like all but there are so many other high-quality symphonic poems. Even smaller ones such as The Dryad. If I had to say one it is without a question Pohjola's daughter. It is overwhelming. I find it kind of sad that Sibelius never composed tone poem about Sampo in Kalevala.

And some people here seem to really like The Wood Nymph.
Wood Nymph is great, sure. So is the whole of Lemminkäinen Suite, and En Saga, and Pohjola's Daughter, and Oceanides. Luonnotar definitely, if it counts. But Tapiola is probably my favourite, very late and very sparse.
Is there a tone poem (or two..) by Sibelius that anyone thinks is somehow less brilliant than the others?
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Jaakko Keskinen

Lemminkäinen suite and En Saga are probably my favorites after Pohjola's daughter. Case could be made for Luonnotar as well.

Less brilliant than others? Well, Nightride and sunrise is pretty monotonic. I like the very beginning most.
"Javert, though frightful, had nothing ignoble about him. Probity, sincerity, candor, conviction, the sense of duty, are things which may become hideous when wrongly directed; but which, even when hideous, remain grand."

- Victor Hugo

North Star

Quote from: Alberich on September 20, 2014, 10:39:02 AM
Lemminkäinen suite and En Saga are probably my favorites after Pohjola's daughter. Case could be made for Luonnotar as well.

Less brilliant than others? Well, Nightride and sunrise is pretty monotonic. I like the very beginning most.
And not everyone will agree with that.  :)
I think it's time I revisited the work.
Quote from: karlhenning on April 18, 2007, 11:08:45 AM
Lounnotar, Opus 70

Barden, Opus 64

Öinen ratsastus & auringon nousu (Nightride & Sunrise), Opus 55
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vandermolen

Quote from: North Star on September 20, 2014, 10:25:09 AM
I'd hate to be most people.Wood Nymph is great, sure. So is the whole of Lemminkäinen Suite, and En Saga, and Pohjola's Daughter, and Oceanides. Luonnotar definitely, if it counts. But Tapiola is probably my favourite, very late and very sparse.
Is there a tone poem (or two..) by Sibelius that anyone thinks is somehow less brilliant than the others?

Very much agree with this although I also like 'The Bard'.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

North Star

Quote from: vandermolen on September 20, 2014, 01:15:48 PM
Very much agree with this although I also like 'The Bard'.
Well, one can't be expected to remember them all.  8)
Barden is a gem too, for sure.
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Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: Jo498 on September 20, 2014, 01:25:32 AM
Can someone recommend a recording of the "symphonic poems" besides Finlandia and Tapiola? I think I haven't even heard most of them.

I mentioned this set a few pages back. It's great for some tone poem rarities, although it's no longer in print (yet again).




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Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

North Star

Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on September 20, 2014, 04:26:39 PM
I mentioned this set a few pages back. It's great for some tone poem rarities, although it's no longer in print (yet again).
Hm, I don't know... If Bernard Michael O'Hanlon likes something, it's usually a bad sign. Or at least him disliking something is a very good sign indeed.  :P
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Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: Mirror Image on September 20, 2014, 07:08:54 AM
Yes, try this recording:



I'm not sure of this recording's availability nowadays, but it will definitely get your foot into the door. Fine performances from Vanska/Lahti all-around.

Second this one.


Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Dancing Divertimentian

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Quote from: North Star on September 20, 2014, 04:33:16 PM
Hm, I don't know... If Bernard Michael O'Hanlon likes something, it's usually a bad sign. Or at least him disliking something is a very good sign indeed.  :P

;D  Try to just forget you ever saw O'Hanlon's review. That might help. ;D


Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Madiel

Quote from: Mirror Image on September 20, 2014, 07:08:54 AM
Yes, try this recording:



I'm not sure of this recording's availability nowadays, but it will definitely get your foot into the door. Fine performances from Vanska/Lahti all-around.

That's the one I bought only 2 months ago! From Presto Classical, although I wouldn't be surprised if it could still be obtained elsewhere as well.
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Mirror Image

Quote from: Alberich on September 20, 2014, 10:07:06 AM
What do you think is Sibbe's best symphonic poem? Most people answer Finlandia (from which I've heard that, considering it's origins, it isn't symphonic poem technically at all), Swan of Tuonela (which was intended as overture for his wagnerian opera project) or Tapiola which I like all but there are so many other high-quality symphonic poems. Even smaller ones such as The Dryad. If I had to say one it is without a question Pohjola's daughter. It is overwhelming. I find it kind of sad that Sibelius never composed tone poem about Sampo in Kalevala.

And some people here seem to really like The Wood Nymph.

The Oceanides, Pohjola's Daughter, and Luonnotar remain three absolute favorites of mine. I simply could not choose between them. Tapiola is another favorite that deserves all the praise it can get, but I like it less than the afore mentioned works. I would probably pick it next after those three favorites, but Sibelius' orchestral oeuvre is so strong and diverse that it seems almost silly of me to even pick any favorites at all.

Mirror Image

Quote from: orfeo on September 20, 2014, 05:09:36 PM
That's the one I bought only 2 months ago! From Presto Classical, although I wouldn't be surprised if it could still be obtained elsewhere as well.

I wouldn't mind owning the whole Sibelius Edition from BIS. Maybe one day!

vandermolen

Quote from: North Star on September 20, 2014, 01:18:06 PM
Well, one can't be expected to remember them all.  8)
Barden is a gem too, for sure.

Just bought this for 5p + postage on Amazon UK:
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"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Wanderer

Quote from: Brian on September 16, 2014, 04:54:43 AM
BIS...they just did a Vanska/Lahti Sibelius album that had been half-released already...

Are you referring to this one?[asin]B00IU5PVQA[/asin]
I have been meaning to ask if this is a new recording of the Wood-Nymph.