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« Reply #180 on: July 12, 2020, 05:04:57 PM »
I just tell you I am a very different listener.  ;)

I like to explore many composers and in the process I detect what composers deserve more attention than others according to my tastes, and Hartmann is not one of them (for now).

You’re certainly different that’s for sure. ;) :P But, yes, I can relate to what you’re saying. I don’t listen to Hartmann a whole lot either.
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« Reply #181 on: July 12, 2020, 08:09:23 PM »
Amen!  0:)

Here are the Symphonische Hymnen:

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Thank you Leo and John. I listened to the first few minutes and enjoyed what I heard. It reminded me a bit of Stravinsky and Schulhoff. I will certainly be investigating this work further.
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« Reply #182 on: July 13, 2020, 02:58:17 AM »
These symphonies are fantastic! No. 3 is probably the standout for me after first listen.

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« Reply #183 on: July 13, 2020, 03:08:52 AM »
These symphonies are fantastic! No. 3 is probably the standout for me after first listen.

The Sixth Symphony is truly a spiritual wringer, but they all hit the soul in some way!
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« Reply #184 on: July 13, 2020, 05:45:34 AM »
Yes, No. 6 is also up there. Not musically, but I've mentally grouped this cycle alongside ones like Honegger and Chávez. Namely, a decent number of symphonies, not all of which are scored for standard orchestra. Honegger has Nos. 2 (mainly strings only) and 4 (small orchestra), Chávez has 5 (strings only) and Hartmann has 4 (strings) and 5 (winds and low strings)

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Re: Karl Amadeus Hartmann, Recommendations.
« Reply #185 on: July 13, 2020, 05:49:43 AM »
Yes, No. 6 is also up there. Not musically, but I've mentally grouped this cycle alongside ones like Honegger and Chávez. Namely, a decent number of symphonies, not all of which are scored for standard orchestra. Honegger has Nos. 2 (mainly strings only) and 4 (small orchestra), Chávez has 5 (strings only) and Hartmann has 4 (strings) and 5 (winds and low strings)

Speaking of Chávez, I wish someone would record his symphonies again. They’re in dire need of a modern update.
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« Reply #186 on: August 16, 2020, 06:05:19 AM »
Picked up the remaining 2 symphonies, coupled with a disc of piano works.

These symphonies are remarkable. No. 6 is definitely my favourite now; the finale is some of the most thrilling music I've ever heard.

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« Reply #187 on: August 16, 2020, 04:01:55 PM »
I can't hide my enthusiasm towards Symphonische Hymnen. What a tremendous work!! A discovery of the highest importance to me lately.
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« Reply #188 on: August 16, 2020, 07:18:22 PM »
+1 for the stunning string quartets. His solo piano music is still unknown to me, but I don't doubt it must be interesting.
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« Reply #189 on: August 17, 2020, 05:07:26 PM »
I can't hide my enthusiasm towards Symphonische Hymnen. What a tremendous work!! A discovery of the highest importance to me lately.

Amen!   0:)

For those who would like to verify the truth of Symphonic Addict's statement:


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« Reply #190 on: August 17, 2020, 08:19:48 PM »
Amen!   0:)

For those who would like to verify the truth of Symphonic Addict's statement:


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There is no excuse to not let yourself be impressed by this work.  ;D
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« Reply #191 on: August 19, 2020, 02:15:12 AM »
I've encountered a structural problem with the Piano Sonata on this set. The track listing gives the impression that it's a sonata in five movements, but the liner notes inside say the "fifth movement" is actually an alternate finale rather than an actual part of the sonata in its own right. So really the first four movements are the Sonata proper. Or should both movements count towards a complete performance of the Sonata?

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« Reply #192 on: August 19, 2020, 02:33:37 AM »
From the Hartmann Gesellschaft

You probably listened to this work:

SONATA “27. APRIL 1945”for piano solo
Am 27. und 28. April 1945 schleppte sich ein Menschenstrom von Dachauer “Protected prisoners” an uns vorüber – unendlich war der Strom – unendlich war das Elend – unendlich war das Leid [“On April 27 and 28, 1945 a stream of ‘People in protective custody’ dragged themselves past us – infinite was the stream – infinite was the misery – infinite was the suffering -“]

I Bewegt [“Moving”]
II Presto assai (Scherzo)
III Marcia funebre (Lento)
IV 1st version: Allegro resoluto – 2nd version: Allegro furioso (Stürmisch, leidenschaftlich) [“Stormy, passionate”]
So, it is an alternate finale.

Performance duration: 16′.

First performance: June 13, 1982, musica viva, Herbert Henck (piano)

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1ST SONATA FOR PIANO
I Toccata
II Langsamer Tanz [“Slow dance”]
III Finale

Performance duration: 14′

First performance: December 29, 1990 (Siegfried Mauser)


Read more at: https://www.hartmann-gesellschaft.de/en/karl-amadeus-hartmann/werkverzeichnis/


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« Reply #193 on: August 19, 2020, 03:36:19 AM »
The 1945 one, yes.

It's deeply unsettling that EMI tried to make the work seem longer than it actually is. By all means, include the alternate finale, but clearly list is as such on the tracklist, and don't add V. to it to make it feel like it's a fifth movement of the sonata as it stands, when it isn't.
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« Reply #194 on: September 04, 2021, 06:36:13 PM »
I must say it is a stunner. I'm talking about the Symphony No. 3 from this set. Spectacularly well played, understood, committedly done. What a work.

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« Reply #195 on: September 04, 2021, 06:47:57 PM »
I must say it is a stunner. I'm talking about the Symphony No. 3 from this set. Spectacularly well played, understood, committedly done. What a work.



Yes, an awesome symphony, Cesar. I prefer the older Wergo set, though.
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« Reply #196 on: September 04, 2021, 07:09:51 PM »
Yes, an awesome symphony, Cesar. I prefer the older Wergo set, though.

Too bad the Wergo set is not easily available. If it were, I'd be listening to those ones too for sure. I LOVED this symphony. My kind of music.
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« Reply #197 on: September 04, 2021, 07:24:28 PM »
Too bad the Wergo set is not easily available. If it were, I'd be listening to those ones too for sure. I LOVED this symphony. My kind of music.

Yeah, Hartmann was a great discovery for me, too. Love so much of his music.
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« Reply #198 on: September 04, 2021, 11:40:34 PM »
Yeah, Hartmann was a great discovery for me, too. Love so much of his music.

The thing that amazes me most is that no two of the eight symphonies are alike. My favourites are No.4 for strings and NO.6 which blows your socks off! But they all have something special to say.

Possibly included in the Wergo CD set, the LP booklet includes a 1963 portrait of the brothers Karl Amadeus and Adolf by Adolf. Talented family!
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« Reply #199 on: September 05, 2021, 06:26:42 PM »
The thing that amazes me most is that no two of the eight symphonies are alike. My favourites are No.4 for strings and NO.6 which blows your socks off! But they all have something special to say.

Possibly included in the Wergo CD set, the LP booklet includes a 1963 portrait of the brothers Karl Amadeus and Adolf by Adolf. Talented family!

Yes, they’re all so different and I think this speaks volumes about how versatile he was as a composer. And a big yes to Symphony No. 6! But, honestly, there are no weak links in his symphonic output.
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