Professionality

[Henk]

How do you understand 'professionality'?

Is amateurism the opposite, or a lower grade?

I don't consider myself a 'professional'. That's probably why a professional job isn't my thing. I don't consider my art professional either.

But I don't consider myself lower.

It's what Deleuze and Guattari argue. I consider myself rather a 'bricoleur'.

What are your thoughts?

[drogulus]

Deleuze's concepts - such as assemblage, the fold, difference and repetition, cinema and desire - are key to understanding his philosophical approach: they work to unsettle particular bodies of knowledge, to open them up and link them to other concepts within and outside that body of knowledge.

     

     Are we unsettled yet?

     

[Henk]

Deleuze's concepts - such as assemblage, the fold, difference and repetition, cinema and desire - are key to understanding his philosophical approach: they work to unsettle particular bodies of knowledge, to open them up and link them to other concepts within and outside that body of knowledge.

     

    Are we unsettled yet?

   

I'm currently rereading Anti-Oedipus. Great book.

[drogulus]

     I shouldn't do this. I'll probably regret it. (sigh) 

"How gullible are you? Is your gullibility located in some "gullibility center" in your brain? Could a neurosurgeon reach in and perform some delicate operation to lower your gullibility, otherwise leaving you alone? If you believe this, you are pretty gullible, and should perhaps consider such an operation."


Douglas R. Hofstadter, Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid

[Henk]

I shouldn't do this. I'll probably regret it. (sigh) 

"How gullible are you? Is your gullibility located in some "gullibility center" in your brain? Could a neurosurgeon reach in and perform some delicate operation to lower your gullibility, otherwise leaving you alone? If you believe this, you are pretty gullible, and should perhaps consider such an operation."


Douglas R. Hofstadter, Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid

I don't get how this relates to the topic, your previous comment or my comment.

[drogulus]

     I guess I don't understand what the topic is. Also, I'm not very relatable even at the best of times. Sometimes my brain jumps the tracks under the malign influence of my Hofstadter fixation.

[Henk]

I shouldn't do this. I'll probably regret it. (sigh) 

"How gullible are you? Is your gullibility located in some "gullibility center" in your brain? Could a neurosurgeon reach in and perform some delicate operation to lower your gullibility, otherwise leaving you alone? If you believe this, you are pretty gullible, and should perhaps consider such an operation."


Douglas R. Hofstadter, Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid

Nietzsche argues that naiveté and suspicion are both needed. It's imo about wisdom. How awful when everybody is suspicious.

[drogulus]

Nietzsche argues that naiveté and suspicion are both needed. It's imo about wisdom. How awful when everybody is suspicious.

     I don't like wisdom. It may have its place, though I try to avoid going there because it's always too crowded.

     I think it might be best if you just ignored me and stopped feeding me straight lines.

[Henk]

I don't like wisdom. It may have its place, though I try to avoid going there because its always too crowded.

     I think it might be best if you just ignored me and stopped feeding me straight lines.

'The Sage Speaks.
Strange to the crowd, yet useful to the crowd,
I still pursue my path, now sun, now cloud,
But always pass above the crowd!' (Nietzsche, The Gay Science)

The Dutch translation says 'people' and 'my people'. Not sure what the final sentence in the English translation means.

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[drogulus]

     I give up. 

[Henk]

I think it might be best if you just ignored me and stopped feeding me straight lines.

Another way to say you don't like me?

Am I too aggresive?

[DavidW]

I don't get how this relates to the topic, your previous comment or my comment.

First time talking with Ernie?    

[drogulus]

Another way to say you don't like me?

Am I too aggresive?

     I think you're trying to drive me out of what used to be my mind. In spite of that I like you.

     Besides, you are affable, which is hard to deal with.

[Henk]

I think you're trying to drive me out of what used to be my mind. In spite of that I like you.

     Besides, you are affable, which is hard to deal with.

Ok, I'll stop. Let's hope the topic gets some more attention.

[owlice]

"How do you understand 'professionality'?"

Do you mean professionalism?

[Karl Henning]

"How do you understand 'professionality'?"

Do you mean professionalism?

Hoy, Aliz!

[owlice]

Aloha, Karl!

[AnotherSpin]

How do you understand 'professionality'?

Is amateurism the opposite, or a lower grade?

I don't consider myself a 'professional'. That's probably why a professional job isn't my thing. I don't consider my art professional either.

But I don't consider myself lower.

It's what Deleuze and Guattari argue. I consider myself rather a 'bricoleur'.

What are your thoughts?

A professional works for money. Doesn't have to enjoy it, often quite the opposite, really. It's the job, after all. An amateur, on the other hand (clue's in the name), does it for love, not for a paycheque. Think Inspector Lestrade versus Sherlock Holmes. Somewhere along the way, the world took a wrong turn when money stopped being a means and started pretending to be the point.

[Henk]

"How do you understand 'professionality'?"

Do you mean professionalism?

Yes. My native language is Dutch. In Dutch it is 'professionaliteit', so that is probably the cause of error.

[Henk]

A professional works for money. Doesn't have to enjoy it, often quite the opposite, really. It's the job, after all. An amateur, on the other hand (clue's in the name), does it for love, not for a paycheque. Think Inspector Lestrade versus Sherlock Holmes. Somewhere along the way, the world took a wrong turn when money stopped being a means and started pretending to be the point.

I think many professionals love their job (I started to look at it and see people through this lense and distinction), and are highly crafted, but probably most of them do not. I just wanted to underscore that professionalism isn't everything. We are forced by society to be professionals to the exclusion of people who don't fit into that kind of being and who are unappreciated and rejected. It's about emancipation. A professional works according to power, they are powerful, their work is hard (but they want that for reasons alien to me), a bricoleur with 'desiring machines'. I don't want to live in a world that is fucked-up, a world of 'professionalism' in the bad sense.

A bricoleur / amateur works differently. Their products are of a different quality and requires a different heart (or other regions of the heart (and brain), if there exists such a thing), an opening of the heart, to be appreciated.