The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and spiritual liberation

[71 dB]

Only people who lack scientific education/training can believe that science is, or aims at being, an unassailable, universally and absolutely valid theory of everything.

Why then do people with extensive scientific education/training try to create scientific theories of everything?

[drogulus]

Why then do people with extensive scientific education/training try to create scientific theories of everything?

    The analogy I use is a lamppost in the dark. The goal is to expand the circle of light. No matter how tall the post is or how bright the bulb the number of questions to ask expands with the circumference of the circle. A theory of everything will reconcile inconsistencies in the light and perhaps push the boundary out.

[Florestan]

Why then do people with extensive scientific education/training try to create scientific theories of everything?

They don't.. Show me one single scientist or group of scientists working on a theory of everything.

[Florestan]

The analogy I use is a lamppost in the dark. The goal is to expand the circle of light. No matter how tall the post is or how bright the bulb the number of questions to ask expends with the circumference of the circle. A theory of everything will reconcile inconsistencies in the light and perhaps push the boundary out.

As long as it doesn't account for everything beyond the circle of light, it's not a theory of everything. And given that it could not account for anything beyond the circle of light at any given moment, a theory of everything is impossible.

[71 dB]

They don't.. Show me one single scientist or group of scientists working on a theory of everything.

How about Edward Witten?

[Florestan]

How about Edward Witten?

I'm sure Dr. Witten has not much to say about biochemistry or entomology, therefore he cannot be working on a theory of everything. Everything means everything, right?

[Karl Henning]

Karl Popper.

No, I refuse! She's done me no injury.

[71 dB]

I'm sure Dr. Witten has not much to say about biochemistry or entomology, therefore he cannot be working on a theory of everything. Everything means everything, right?

You have misunderstood the theory of everything by a mile and a half... ...it is about the fundamental principles of how the university works. Especially how quantum physics and gravity works together is a mystery (according to the current theories they are incompatible).

No human is clever enough to master every field of science. Even mastering all mathematics known to man is too much for anyone (David Hilbert (1862-1943) was the last mathematician who knew all math of his time).

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

No, I refuse! She's done me no injury.

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[drogulus]

I'm sure Dr. Witten has not much to say about biochemistry or entomology, therefore he cannot be working on a theory of everything. Everything means everything, right?

    No, that's not what it means. In context it means the most fundamental theory. Essentially it would be the bottom turtle in "turtles all the way down". 

    "What's the most fundamental thing made of?"

     

   

[Elgarian Redux]

No, I refuse! She's done me no injury.

If one purpose of this forum is to cheer us up, then you have done so in abundance with this quip, my dear chap. Thank you.

[JBS]

You have misunderstood the theory of everything by a mile and a half... ...it is about the fundamental principles of how the university works. Especially how quantum physics and gravity works together is a mystery (according to the current theories they are incompatible).

No human is clever enough to master every field of science. Even mastering all mathematics known to man is too much for anyone (David Hilbert (1862-1943) was the last mathematician who knew all math of his time).

I think the usual term in English for what you're talking about is the "Grand Unifying Theory" or GUT.

[Mandryka]

Do you happen to know of a scientific formula or perhaps a scholarly book that can grant an individual true freedom? If so, I would be most curious to hear of it. Please share .

Chapter 11


https://fas-philosophy.rutgers.edu/chang/papers/onwhatmatters.pdf

[krummholz]

I think the usual term in English for what you're talking about is the "Grand Unifying Theory" or GUT.

But that elusive goal really is referred to in some quarters as the "Theory of Everything".

[Elgarian Redux]

True release is not found in these debates, but in directly seeing that there is no I who acts at all.

It's not easy to see how to discuss this (or anything else) with someone who isn't there.

[Elgarian Redux]

Discussions between minds can make sense, for a moment or two, just for fun maybe.

If you're not there, they can't.

[Elgarian Redux]

Do not think this is some pure awareness

I don't think it's anything. The 'you' (that I thought I was addressing) has told me that there is no 'you'. There's nothing left to say. Not even this.

[StudioGuy]

I take it this new thread is just "chewing the fat" about things unrelated to audio and all pretence of being relevant to audio systems has been dropped?

[Florestan]

the theory of everything ...it is about the fundamental principles of how the university works. Especially how quantum physics and gravity works together is a mystery (according to the current theories they are incompatible).

But that elusive goal really is referred to in some quarters as the "Theory of Everything".

I am well aware of all that, but it's a (rather unscientific) misnomer which can and does create confusion, misunderstandings and misrepresentations about the nature of science. Its use should be avoided, or even better discarded altogether.

[Florestan]

I don't think it's anything. The 'you' (that I thought I was addressing) has told me that there is no 'you'. There's nothing left to say. Not even this.

There's no I nor you, there's only an undefinable, immutable, out-of-this world, common self, the phenomenal reality is just an illusion. And yet, the same "he" who preaches that also claims "his ears" (according to "his own" theory, both these words are meaningless) tell "him" the truth. Risum teneatis, amici?