The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and spiritual liberation

[krummholz]

I am well aware of all that, but it's a (rather unscientific) misnomer which can and does create confusion, misunderstandings and misrepresentations about the nature of science. Its use should be avoided, or even better discarded altogether.

It's a colloquialism. No one who actually uses it interprets the term the way some in this thread (or maybe it was still the audio thread) did earlier, as implying a practical route to all knowledge.

[ritter]

.... No one who actually uses it interprets the term the way some in this thread (or maybe it was still the audio thread) did earlier, as implying a practical route to all knowledge.

That can only be achieved with the Aleph! 

[Elgarian Redux]

Words are just words. That's the way I speak, but I know what's true. If you think you've caught me in some kind of logical contradiction, then so be it. That's not what I'm about.

But if (as you have persuaded me) there is no 'you' to catch, how could I? Or even have any wish to? I'm just reading what has been said (which is, at least in part, very clear), and responding to it accordingly.

And now enough. 

[Elgarian Redux]

There's no I nor you, there's only an undefinable, immutable, out-of-this world, common self, the phenomenal reality is just an illusion. And yet, the same "he" who preaches that also claims "his ears" (according to "his own" theory, both these words are meaningless) tell "him" the truth. Risum teneatis, amici?

Just tried to send you a PM, Andrei, but your inbox, I am told, is full ...

[Brian]

I take it this new thread is just "chewing the fat" about things unrelated to audio and all pretence of being relevant to audio systems has been dropped?

Correct!

[Karl Henning]

It's not easy to see how to discuss this (or anything else) with someone who isn't there.

So says this so-called individual, too.

[Karl Henning]

I take it this new thread is just "chewing the fat" about things unrelated to audio and all pretence of being relevant to audio systems has been dropped?

Indeed, the pretence is of another sort entirely. 

[Karl Henning]

There's no I nor you, there's only an undefinable, immutable, out-of-this world, common self, the phenomenal reality is just an illusion. And yet, the same "he" who preaches that also claims "his ears" (according to "his own" theory, both these words are meaningless) tell "him" the truth. Risum teneatis, amici?

A lot of aggressive non-philosophizing, from this Senator's standpoint. 

[Spotted Horses]

The difference between you and me is this: you believe that you are your mind and body, and that beyond them there is nothing else, whereas I know that is not the case. The "you" that has seized your imagination, to which you return again and again, points instead toward a higher knowing of who I truly am, or just as well of who you truly are. In essence, there is no difference.

The most striking thing to me is that you assume that people who don't share your odd notions are dimwits.

[Spotted Horses]

Do not ascribe to me what exists only in your imagination. That applies to you and a few other forum members as well.

There is no self so you only exist in the word salad you post here and in my imagination.

[drogulus]

    A conscious self groups various functions into a unitary narrative. It consists primarily of language and its use developed as a means of communicating with other language users. An "I" and a "you" require each other.

    I think the modern self arrived in stages, and our current version arrived when people began to realize the voices in their heads belonged to them. Owning your thoughts is a massive upgrade.

[Elgarian Redux]

Anyway, folks ... Heard any good jokes recently? Karl's joke about Karl Popper was a good 'un - worth scrolling back to find.

[ritter]

Anyway, folks ... Heard any good jokes recently? Karl's joke about Karl Popper was a good 'un - worth scrolling back to find.

I must confess I still don't get that joke  ... If anyone is kind enough to explain it to me via PM, that'll be appreciated. 

[DavidW]

I must confess I still don't get that joke  ... If anyone is kind enough to explain it to me via PM, that'll be appreciated. 

Karl: Pop Her!

[ritter]

Karl: Pop Her!

Much obliged! 

[Mandryka]

Anyway, folks ... Heard any good jokes recently? Karl's joke about Karl Popper was a good 'un - worth scrolling back to find.

Have a look in Dan Dennett's Philosophical Lexicon

https://dl.tufts.edu/downloads/1z40m5090?filename=jw827p68f.pdf

[Florestan]

Just tried to send you a PM, Andrei, but your inbox, I am told, is full ...

Not anymore, Alan.

[Florestan]

It's a colloquialism. No one who actually uses it interprets the term the way some in this thread (or maybe it was still the audio thread) did earlier, as implying a practical route to all knowledge.

Exactly my point. It's laymen who get confused, not scientists themselves.

[Florestan]

Anyway, folks ... Heard any good jokes recently? Karl's joke about Karl Popper was a good 'un - worth scrolling back to find.

To my everlasting shame I confess it was entirely lost on me. Please enlighten me, @Karl Henning .

[Florestan]

Karl: Pop Her!

A-ha! Much obliged as well.