Christianity vs Earth, the right vs the left (the Nietzsche reading club)

[Henk]

Those are two of the worst possible people to quote on this topic.

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You search for evidence, but first you need a hypothesis. It's a cyclus, both narrative (or else theory) as evidence are involved.

To me this only fills it with more spirit.

I'm currently interested in the irrationalities and quircks of the human mind. It's science, it's Enlightenment too.

Religions are tradition, Enlightenment is everything.

[Henk]

We need however seperate the two realms, we need to focus on what we reasonably can know, Nietzsche calls it 'the knowledge-Earth'. We can understand religion, but we must avoid certain religious questions to become the questions and problems of our research which deal with the first and the last things, such wicked problems that shouldn't be of our interest, as if belief has more value than knowledge. Otherwise we would numb ourselves with belief, we would not change anymore. Nietzsche writes we must become good neighbours again with our near environments.

[Henk]

'There are no facts, there's only interpretation.' (Nietzsche)

'End facts, try fiction.' (Ezra Pound)

Han also writes that facts only provides now-points, it's non-time, it's accumulative and fragmentive.

Observing a fact implicates already an interpretation or interpretations.

[Henk]

I just have a preference for narrative. @Todd showed me the other side (of the story). Thanks, Todd, it was a good conversation. I'm quite into Enlightenment these days, while I also contemplate religion. I have a book about Spinoza, titled 'Spinoza's Religion' which is about resting in God or something. I guess practicing that only alters the vibe of resting, not really it's value. But maybe Han too can convince me, his book 'Speaking about God' is about Weil and about God, about stillness, attention, listening.

Maybe there's something to say for godliness instead of godlessness.

I'm into polytheïsm. Those stories excite me more than ordinary fiction. That vibe of godliness arouses me more than a unanimous God of monotheïsm.