Can anyone identify this organ recording? (M.40 Chorale No.3)

[macsyma64]

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to identify which LP (or CD) release this organ recording comes from. It's 3 Chorales for Organ: No. 3 in A minor, M.40.

I only have the final minute, which I've uploaded here:
https://youtu.be/sf1DZfQAtAc

I have examined as many YouTube recordings of this piece as possible - converting them to mono and comparing the waveforms, as well as adjusting tempo and pitch - but so far I have not found a match.

Any help identifying the performer, label, or catalog number would be amazing.

Thanks in advance!

[Maciek]

Wait, you're trying to identify the specific recording, and not the piece, is that right? I thought at first you were looking for the composer (it's Franck, if anyone was curious), but then realized that's not what you were asking.

[macsyma64]

I would like to know the product title or catalog number of the recording (LP, SP, CD, etc.) in which this audio is included. Thank you very much.

[Maciek]

Possibly some background might be helpful. How did you get hold of that snippet recording (and why is it so short)? Why is this important to you? That sort of thing.

[Philo]

Perhaps, it is this disc, which I didn't find a recording of on YouTube, as not everything makes it there:

https://www.discogs.com/release/17604088-C%C3%A9sar-Franck-Jean-Pierre-Lecaudey-Three-Chorales-For-Grand-Organ?srsltid=AfmBOoqXw9fnCqmcSUx_XV9Otu1YRn5IW3Q2A8tdyb0JZx5UR7n0f2tD

[macsyma64]

Possibly some background might be helpful. How did you get hold of that snippet recording (and why is it so short)? Why is this important to you? That sort of thing.

Thank you for the advice.

This recording is the background music used in the climactic scene of the 1969 film *Puss in Boots*, in which the Demon King destroys the tower where the knight and the princess are, and is simultaneously annihilated by the sunrise (for this reason, a small amount of sound effects is mixed). However, this piece is not included on the film's soundtrack album; the recording above was extracted from the audio track of the Blu-ray Disc.

The score for this film was composed by Seiichiro Uno, but for this particularly important scene a work by C. Franck is used instead. The film is a very famous one and has been the subject of various studies, yet there is no information whatsoever about the source of this recording. The rather abrupt fade-in at the beginning of the recording also suggests that it was not newly made for the film but instead taken from a pre-existing source.

Although the film was produced more than seventy years after Franck's death, reuse of a commercial record would have been hindered by neighboring rights, so it is also possible that the source was an in-house library recording (Toei, which produced the film, is one of Japan's leading film companies). If that is the case, identification by outsiders may well be impossible. In any event, at present I am proceeding by carrying out whatever investigation is feasible.

[macsyma64]

Perhaps, it is this disc, which I didn't find a recording of on YouTube, as not everything makes it there:

https://www.discogs.com/release/17604088-C%C3%A9sar-Franck-Jean-Pierre-Lecaudey-Three-Chorales-For-Grand-Organ?srsltid=AfmBOoqXw9fnCqmcSUx_XV9Otu1YRn5IW3Q2A8tdyb0JZx5UR7n0f2tD

Thank you for the information. Unfortunately, although the audio on that disc was recorded in 1987, the recording I am looking for was made before 1969.
In any case, I appreciate you taking the time on my behalf.

[Philo]

Thank you for the information. Unfortunately, although the audio on that disc was recorded in 1987, the recording I am looking for was made before 1969.
In any case, I appreciate you taking the time on my behalf.

Here is another link with a bunch of recordings prior to 1969:

https://www.discogs.com/search?q=franck+Chorale+In+A+Minor&type=all

Hopefully, that is helful. I know how it feels to be looking for something specific and not finding it.

[macsyma64]

Here is another link with a bunch of recordings prior to 1969:

https://www.discogs.com/search?q=franck+Chorale+In+A+Minor&type=all

Hopefully, that is helful. I know how it feels to be looking for something specific and not finding it.

Thanks for the quick response. In fact, my YouTube searches were carried out with reference to the search results on Discogs. I also checked the Internet Archive, but I still couldn't find a match.

[Philo]

Thanks for the quick response. In fact, my YouTube searches were carried out with reference to the search results on Discogs. I also checked the Internet Archive, but I still couldn't find a match.

Wow - then you have a true rarity.

If I come across anything odd, I'll definitely post it up, but that is something cool that you have saved, it seems.

[Maciek]

Thank you for the advice.

This recording is the background music used in the climactic scene of the 1969 film *Puss in Boots*, in which the Demon King destroys the tower where the knight and the princess are, and is simultaneously annihilated by the sunrise (for this reason, a small amount of sound effects is mixed). However, this piece is not included on the film's soundtrack album; the recording above was extracted from the audio track of the Blu-ray Disc.

The score for this film was composed by Seiichiro Uno, but for this particularly important scene a work by C. Franck is used instead. The film is a very famous one and has been the subject of various studies, yet there is no information whatsoever about the source of this recording. The rather abrupt fade-in at the beginning of the recording also suggests that it was not newly made for the film but instead taken from a pre-existing source.

Although the film was produced more than seventy years after Franck's death, reuse of a commercial record would have been hindered by neighboring rights, so it is also possible that the source was an in-house library recording (Toei, which produced the film, is one of Japan's leading film companies). If that is the case, identification by outsiders may well be impossible. In any event, at present I am proceeding by carrying out whatever investigation is feasible.

Wow! Well, I'm grateful I asked for the follow up - the background is fascinating! Unfortunately, I have no leads. From the few recordings I quickly sampled here and there, the majority of organists seem to do a slight accelerando here, whereas the one you're looking at and for seems to marginally slow down, which seems rarer - but unfortunately, I have not accidentally happened upon the right one. (Of course, my observation might just be luck of the draw - I only sampled a few.)

[macsyma64]

Wow! Well, I'm grateful I asked for the follow up - the background is fascinating! Unfortunately, I have no leads. From the few recordings I quickly sampled here and there, the majority of organists seem to do a slight accelerando here, whereas the one you're looking at and for seems to marginally slow down, which seems rarer - but unfortunately, I have not accidentally happened upon the right one. (Of course, my observation might just be luck of the draw - I only sampled a few.)

Thank you for pointing out the performance style. Indeed, this recording is slower compared to many other performances, and the ending section is notably long. However, for example, although from a different period, Michael Murray's following performance is roughly of the same length:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmcUqUBfq9w&t=760s