Meltdown

[Todd]

But I seem to remember a certain Texas politician during the last presidential election struggling to form a list of government agencies to eliminate.

Missed this before, and I'm not quite sure what bearing it has on anything, but to His Royal Hairness's credit, he championed meaningful judicial reform at the SCOTUS level.

I'm just saying I'm not convinced that the libertarian argument isn't a recipe for disaster.

I gather you refer to the libertarian economic policies, or are you referring to social policy and foreign policy as well?  In any event, libertarian economic policies have never fully been implemented.  The closest the US experienced was the pre-Civil War era, but many conditions were vastly different.  There is no going back to that.  The best those on the American Right - libertarian and otherwise - can hope for is to reduce the power of and burden imposed by the state.

[ibanezmonster]

Ah! It's such a weird system that it's hard to guess how it works, isn't it? No, they have many classes! First-year students have 10-15 classes a week. That's 10-15 different teachers. Plus most students have part-time jobs and long train commutes to fill their time (more than half live at home; average commute is one hour each way. But there are many students who do more). Furthermore, university clubs and circles are deemed nearly the most important part of university life. Then, in their last two years, they spend lots of time doing job hunting. Japanese companies hire large groups of graduates every year and they start the hiring process in the students' junior year. Consequently, it's very hard to build anything one week to the next in the classroom or get the students interested.

Those would have to be some highly related classes, because I don't see how anyone could learn a subject in depth if taking 10-15 classes a week.

[milk]

Those would have to be some highly related classes, because I don't see how anyone could learn a subject in depth if taking 10-15 classes a week.

Well my experience is in the humanities where there is no in-depth learning. The idea is not to learn. The idea is to continue socialization and to practice performing many obligations (I'd say most students are only able to sleep 5 or 6 hours a night). They have no time or freedom for depth. And very few have any idea that there is any other way. Unlike Koreans, Chinese and Indians, very few Japanese study at foreign universities. Their performances on TOEC and TOEFL are some of the lowest in Asia (ironic I'm citing tests now!).

[milk]

Missed this before, and I'm not quite sure what bearing it has on anything, but to His Royal Hairness's credit, he championed meaningful judicial reform at the SCOTUS level.




I gather you refer to the libertarian economic policies, or are you referring to social policy and foreign policy as well?  In any event, libertarian economic policies have never fully been implemented.  The closest the US experienced was the pre-Civil War era, but many conditions were vastly different.  There is no going back to that.  The best those on the American Right - libertarian and otherwise - can hope for is to reduce the power of and burden imposed by the state.

I meant Perry and his interest in abolishing the EPA (or is it only Paul or both?). I mean what we were discussing. There is a logging company that planted trees. It doesn't convince me that companies will do what's right if there is no lawsuit possible (because they are affecting the far-future or powerless people) or regulatory body taking notice. One can always cherry pick examples like that.

[Todd]

It doesn't convince me that companies will do what's right if there is no lawsuit possible (because they are affecting the far-future or powerless people) or regulatory body taking notice.

There are actually many examples in that industry, and others in agriculture as well, and even in ranching.  I already stated that purely extractive and transactional industries will have little to no incentive to act in a similar fashion.  So what?  For profit corporations must act in the best interest of investors.  That is why they exist.  But that is where the value of lawsuits and of accurate accounting of externalities come in, so interested parties can take action now.  This is in addition to regulation.  And at times private legal action, or government civil suits, may achieve better results than direct regulation, particularly in cases of pronounced regulatory capture.  Surely you don't deny that exists? 

(Hand wringing about future generations usually sounds well intentioned, but it is of dubious value and can be used by right or left, depending on what one is talking about.)

[milk]

There are actually many examples in that industry, and others in agriculture as well, and even in ranching.  I already stated that purely extractive and transactional industries will have little to no incentive to act in a similar fashion.  So what?  For profit corporations must act in the best interest of investors.  That is why they exist.  But that is where the value of lawsuits and of accurate accounting of externalities come in, so interested parties can take action now.  This is in addition to regulation.  And at times private legal action, or government civil suits, may achieve better results than direct regulation, particularly in cases of pronounced regulatory capture.  Surely you don't deny that exists? 

(Hand wringing about future generations usually sounds well intentioned, but it is of dubious value and can be used by right or left, depending on what one is talking about.)

I think it's an impasse here. You say it's of dubious value. I can't agree. But that's ok.

[Karl Henning]

Tangentially, it does my heart good knowing that our snypsss is preparing salad rather than just sitting in that dark, dark place. (And you know he's not putting any extraneous soy additives in that salad.)

[Florestan]

libertarianism has obvious shortcomings.   

Sure, just like any other "ism"; well, probably a bit more. 

(For the record, I am not a libertarian.)

[snyprrr]

So... does the chit hit the fan in 2014? After the dow hit 25,000?

[Karl Henning]

You listened to Don't Worry Baby. Customers who bought this song also bought...

Baby, Baby by Amy Grant
Be My Baby by The Ronettes
Baby Love by The Supremes

[snyprrr]

Aw, just sunny skies ahead, no doom forever, everyone's just zippy

2014 the best year ever!

woo hoo

[Johnll]

There are actually many examples in that industry, and others in agriculture as well, and even in ranching.  I already stated that purely extractive and transactional industries will have little to no incentive to act in a similar fashion.  So what?  For profit corporations must act in the best interest of investors.  That is why they exist.  But that is where the value of lawsuits and of accurate accounting of externalities come in, so interested parties can take action now.  This is in addition to regulation.  And at times private legal action, or government civil suits, may achieve better results than direct regulation, particularly in cases of pronounced regulatory capture.  Surely you don't deny that exists? 

(Hand wringing about future generations usually sounds well intentioned, but it is of dubious value and can be used by right or left, depending on what one is talking about.)

[snyprrr]

Did you read Jeb Bush's comments on how illegal immigration is an "act of love"? Without for one instance thinking of how that could be turned around? Do you believe this? Is Bush running as a Democrat? Ha!

Will you all now believe me when i say that there has NEVER been a so-called 'Conservative' in the WH? Obviously that was just a label invented by the ChiComs(chortle) to smoke out normal 'Muricans and consolidate power under the banking interests. Hmm??

Can you believe the things that are coming out of the mouths of ANY politician,... and, I don't mean can you "believe" them,... but can you believe it?!?!?

Americans must be the biggest bunch of pussy people that history has ever known- learn what a pitchfork is, oy! But, it happened to the Germans, so, I'm sure, it's guaranteed to happen here, and soon by the prevailing wind.

'IDIOCRACY' MUCH?

[milk]

Did you read Jeb Bush's comments on how illegal immigration is an "act of love"? Without for one instance thinking of how that could be turned around? Do you believe this? Is Bush running as a Democrat? Ha!

Will you all now believe me when i say that there has NEVER been a so-called 'Conservative' in the WH? Obviously that was just a label invented by the ChiComs(chortle) to smoke out normal 'Muricans and consolidate power under the banking interests. Hmm??

Can you believe the things that are coming out of the mouths of ANY politician,... and, I don't mean can you "believe" them,... but can you believe it?!?!?

Americans must be the biggest bunch of pussy people that history has ever known- learn what a pitchfork is, oy! But, it happened to the Germans, so, I'm sure, it's guaranteed to happen here, and soon by the prevailing wind.

'IDIOCRACY' MUCH?

People go where the money is and they'll put up with quite a lot of misery for a buck (pace working conditions for immigrants in places like the UAE). I don't know if it's an "act of love" but it certainly isn't a moral failing.
I don't get the comparison with "the Germans." If you mean Nazi Germany then I don't get how racial ideology, xenophobia, hatred of homosexuality and Jews, and nationalism have to do with the U.S. today (although racism is a fact of life I don't think politicians can get elected on a platform of overt racial superiority). But maybe you mean something else.
Politicians are professional liars. "Left" and "Right." But so are a lot of public jobs. Authenticity is in short supply.

[ibanezmonster]

Politicians are professional liars. "Left" and "Right." But so are a lot of public jobs. Authenticity is in short supply.

Most jobs in general. Oh, sure, I'm a team player who likes a fast-paced working environment and likes plenty of brief interactions with random people that I'll never see again. Sure. 

It's like a comedian (I forget who) once said, "Do I have a passion for frozen yogurt? No! I just a need a job." Having to get a job just teaches you that you have to be dishonest to a certain extent in order to survive, and sadly it's no different for politicians. They have to make grand promises to impress us (who are in a sense their employers) in order to get elected, but if they are inclined to follow up on those promises is a different story...

[Todd]

Will you all now believe me when i say that there has NEVER been a so-called 'Conservative' in the WH?

Not even William McKinley or Calvin Coolidge or Grover Cleveland?

[snyprrr]

Not even William McKinley or Calvin Coolidge or Grover Cleveland?

Sorry, I wasn't going back THAT far- all people know these days is Qlintoin and Bushe... endlessly ya ya ya,... so, I thought I was being provocative by alluding to the... shhh... "R" Word. Oh, I'm such a naughty!

I still like Andrew Jackson and leave it there "and by God and shall route you out!"

[Brian]

I still like Andrew Jackson and leave it there "and by God and shall route you out!"

You still like the first president to mandate a genocide on American soil? (Sorry, I just really don't like Andrew Jackson.)

[Todd]

You still like the first president to mandate a genocide on American soil? (Sorry, I just really don't like Andrew Jackson.)

Nah, snyprrr is thinking more along the line of:

[snyprrr]

Well, no,... not like anything untoward is happening.

So, there's not one member since October who thought, "Hey, what's wrong with the world? I'm going to Post on the 'Meltdown' Thread."??

SHAME ON YOU ALL!! tsk tsk


Ready for the Global Financial Reset?




No se, no comprende, no tostitos

Can someone from another part of the world explain to me what's going on with La Migra in the US? Who runs their country like this? Oh, that's right, Sweden! and UK, and France... wtf??...


HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW LAWS THAT MY LEADERS IGNORE? in good conscience,... HOW?


Can you PROVE to me that Hamas kidnapped the three boys and that this wasn't just another shell game? Who benefited from their deaths? (apparently there were no worms on the boys' bodies)

Oh, hey, Yissyrel- I'm suuure we'd LOVE to take all those dirty arabs off your hands. Soccer moms all over the country are standing in line to prove they're not racist by adopting ten illegals each!- heck- throw a philistinian in there and we'll call it a baker's dozen?

Dimon is NOT in jail.

Not one politician in jail (Sarkozy??).

Citizens treated like crimminals.

De-Inflation


Oh, noooo- no one is trying to "overload the system to breaking so we can rebuild it in our image"

Noooo- that's NOT what's happening, no matter who tells you (they're just clinging to their god and guns- those poor schmiucks.



Well, as long as we can compare Shosty cds, who.the.fuck.cares.



Firing squads- how far off?



Oh, and BTW- apparently this kind of shit already happened at least once in the last 100 Years. How many OF THEIR OWN CITIZENS (the Enemy) did they MURDER???

As if you don't know a flaming Libtard (oh, look, a squirrel) who WOULD declare, openly, that they would want to heinously slaughter you if you chimed in an opinion counter to their own. "Oh, you must be a republican." What kind of fucking response is that?? Do you really live in such a childish Either/Or paradigm that you can't come up with anything original Ashleigh Banfield wannabe?

Rachel Maddow = Bill O'Reilly

Obama = Bush

New Boss = Old Boss

Democracy = eventual Socialism


Go and throw yourself in that corpse pit you dug for us. You're not human. Banish Yourself!!!!




(RANT: temporarily on hold)