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« Reply #1020 on: January 04, 2022, 10:57:53 PM »


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nJ7ELe6HPSPwUu5PzoMJKmAM9z44t_Uzw

Rui Fernando Soares playing Fischer and Kerll - just based on my first impressions, a bit of a mixed bag: interesting, rough sounding organ (one of the few Schnitgers exported to Portugal), playing maybe a little clumsy. Hearing the opening Toccata of Fischer's Uranie banged out on full plenum wasn't the best shock, but worth hearing for the organ.

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« Reply #1021 on: January 16, 2022, 08:22:55 PM »
I would be interested in recommendations of recordings in which the organ is used as an accompanying instrument, or an instrument as part of a small ensemble (not really interested in organ + brass stuff). I have two recordings of the Vitali Chaconne--one with a wonderful accompaniment by the organ and played by Ricardo Odnoposoff (who I generally like--but Gioconda de Vito is by far my favorite here). Anything in which the organ substitutes for the usual piano would also be of interest!

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« Reply #1022 on: January 16, 2022, 09:19:12 PM »
I would be interested in recommendations of recordings in which the organ is used as an accompanying instrument, or an instrument as part of a small ensemble (not really interested in organ + brass stuff). I have two recordings of the Vitali Chaconne--one with a wonderful accompaniment by the organ and played by Ricardo Odnoposoff (who I generally like--but Gioconda de Vito is by far my favorite here). Anything in which the organ substitutes for the usual piano would also be of interest!


https://www.prostudiomasters.com/album/page/28339

https://www.discogs.com/release/8365154-C%C3%A9sar-Franck-Bertrand-Chamayou-Olivier-Latry-Royal-Scottish-National-Orchestra-St%C3%A9phane-Den%C3%A8ve-Fr (For the prelude, fugue and variations)

https://www.deutschegrammophon.com/en/catalogue/products/prayer-voice-organ-kozena-5372

https://hyphenpress.co.uk/products/music/rosenkranzsonaten_1

https://www.discogs.com/release/10407940-Francisco-Correa-De-Arauxo-Louis-Thiry-Patrick-Bismuth-Tientos

https://www.discogs.com/release/13872561-William-Lawes-London-Baroque-Sonatas-For-Violin-And-Continuo

https://www.allmusic.com/album/vivaldi-sonate-e-concerti-mw0001873736

https://philipglass.com/recordings/voicesdidgeridooorgan_rec/

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« Reply #1023 on: January 16, 2022, 09:48:11 PM »
Thanks, these look interesting. I'm listening to the first one now. The Sibelius is interesting!

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« Reply #1024 on: January 17, 2022, 06:36:25 AM »
Thanks, these look interesting. I'm listening to the first one now. The Sibelius is interesting!

You prompted me to investigate a bit and I discovered this today: a new look at Mahler!

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8678400--mahler-orchestral-songs-the-organ-transcriptions
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« Reply #1025 on: March 01, 2022, 12:56:19 AM »
The best Bruhns organ disc I know isn't all Bruhns - also has a few pieces of Hanff that are exceptional.  The disc is Loft Recordings 1012 and performed by William Porter on the Cathedral Organ at Roskilde; the organ was originally built in 1554 and sounds fantastic.  One of my treasured organ discs, and that includes Bach.  BUT, it might not be easy to find.



Listening to this, possibly for the first time, and possibly the first time that I’ve paid attention to Hanff, I have to agree with Don’s assessment.

Porter makes everything he touches - Burns, Hanff, Scheidemann - sound more luxurious than fantastical. (that’s not totally fair as the penultimate part of the Bruhns Nunn komm der heiden heiland starts up!)

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« Reply #1026 on: March 02, 2022, 01:46:17 AM »


Listening to this, possibly for the first time, and possibly the first time that I’ve paid attention to Hanff, I have to agree with Don’s assessment.

Porter makes everything he touches - Burns, Hanff, Scheidemann - sound more luxurious than fantastical. (that’s not totally fair as the penultimate part of the Bruhns Nunn komm der heiden heiland starts up!)



I like Hanff a lot, particularly his more penitential chorales like Erbarm dich mein or Ach Gott.

A favorite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7beKnJowQY

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« Reply #1027 on: March 02, 2022, 11:14:18 PM »
I would be interested in recommendations of recordings in which the organ is used as an accompanying instrument, or an instrument as part of a small ensemble (not really interested in organ + brass stuff). I have two recordings of the Vitali Chaconne--one with a wonderful accompaniment by the organ and played by Ricardo Odnoposoff (who I generally like--but Gioconda de Vito is by far my favorite here). Anything in which the organ substitutes for the usual piano would also be of interest!

Anner Bylsma and Bob van Asperen's recording of the Bach viola da gamba sonatas.

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« Reply #1028 on: March 03, 2022, 01:49:31 AM »


Titelouze Magnificat (1st tone) with chant,  Tuma at the keyboard, unusually prayerful and rapt. 18th century organ, restored, some sort of meantone tuning. I think it is the same organ as the one he used for the Biber sonatas. This is potentially an interesting release.
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« Reply #1029 on: March 03, 2022, 02:24:37 AM »
Anner Bylsma and Bob van Asperen's recording of the Bach viola da gamba sonatas.

However with the caveat that Bijlsma plays a violoncello piccolo and not a viola da gamba.
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« Reply #1030 on: March 03, 2022, 07:39:07 AM »


Titelouze Magnificat (1st tone) with chant,  Tuma at the keyboard, unusually prayerful and rapt. 18th century organ, restored, some sort of meantone tuning. I think it is the same organ as the one he used for the Biber sonatas. This is potentially an interesting release.

And continuing with a Scheidt magnificat, very much in the same vein, quiet and introspective. The organ is sweet, velvety and characterful.
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« Reply #1031 on: March 08, 2022, 03:42:51 AM »


Or does Gary Verkade wipe the floor with Berben?

No, not in my opinion. For me it’s a case of different perspectives. Verkade only plays the ricercars, as you know probably .

One key one to check is Ricercar 8. Berben tunes it down a tone to avoid harsh intervals on the meantone Luedingworth organ, he uses evidence from fretted clavichords of the period to justify this practice. I don't believe that Verklade tunes it down, he seems to positively relish the dissonance by playing it slowly.
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« Reply #1032 on: March 09, 2022, 11:54:47 AM »
One key one to check is Ricercar 8. Berben tunes it down a tone to avoid harsh intervals on the meantone Luedingworth organ, he uses evidence from fretted clavichords of the period to justify this practice. I don't believe that Verklade tunes it down, he seems to positively relish the dissonance by playing it slowly.

I think the difference is that the organ that Verklade is playing on has split sharps, allowing him to play more "correct" intervals.

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« Reply #1033 on: March 09, 2022, 12:14:12 PM »
I think the difference is that the organ that Verklade is playing on has split sharps, allowing him to play more "correct" intervals.

Ah yes, I remember those in Spanish organs. I didn’t know the tradition extended into Sweden!

(Or am I confusing it with Medio registro? I think I may be!)
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« Reply #1034 on: March 09, 2022, 02:13:50 PM »
I think the difference is that the organ that Verklade is playing on has split sharps, allowing him to play more "correct" intervals.

This would be exceptional on a Swedish organ, but you may know more than I about this.
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« Reply #1035 on: March 09, 2022, 06:56:18 PM »

Gary Verkade recorded the Steigleder on the Grönlunds organ in Norrfjärden, a faithful reconstruction of the 17th century organ from the German church in Stockholm which still survives today, albeit modified and split up between 2 churches.



Notice how the D#/Eflat is split into 2, allowing you to use the "correct" note. Somehow I thought this organ had more of these split sharps for different notes. I haven't listened to the ricercar in question, not sure if this single split sharp would be of that much help.
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« Reply #1036 on: March 10, 2022, 02:54:03 AM »
Gary Verkade recorded the Steigleder on the Grönlunds organ in Norrfjärden, a faithful reconstruction of the 17th century organ from the German church in Stockholm which still survives today, albeit modified and split up between 2 churches.



Notice how the D#/Eflat is split into 2, allowing you to use the "correct" note. Somehow I thought this organ had more of these split sharps for different notes. I haven't listened to the ricercar in question, not sure if this single split sharp would be of that much help.

Thanks for the illumination. I know this organ from several recordings, but wasn't aware of this particular detail. One may wonder about the purpose of only making one single split.
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« Reply #1037 on: August 07, 2022, 06:27:10 AM »
Attention gentlemen with subwoofers. 32’ pipe alert! Well recorded, well played in the scholarly manner, good music



https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8792007--like-a-phoenix-from-the-ashes-an-organ-portrait
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