The Early Music Club (EMC)

[Iota]

So.... Europadisc is having an ARCANA sale: https://www.europadisc.co.uk/offer/2556/Arcana.htm

Some interesting titles with 40-50% off.
I was wondering if I could I have some feedback on these box sets? 

I feel a complete neophyte in such matters compared with many on this board, but for the little it's worth I find this set bewitching.

[San Antone]

Even at full price these three sets are mandatory for someone interested in Italian Trecento and Ars Subtilior.

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I especially like the Figures of Harmony box - but they are all good. 

[Mandryka]

So.... Europadisc is having an ARCANA sale: https://www.europadisc.co.uk/offer/2556/Arcana.htm

Some interesting titles with 40-50% off.
I was wondering if I could I have some feedback on these box sets? 







Q

Here's a shot at what's going on, probably not totally fair. Let me know if you think I'm right when you've heard them.

La Reverdie can and do sing flexibly and sensually but they often don't -- they favour pretty strict foot tapping rhythms and short phrases. They're also not averse to singing quite simple music.

Mala Punica are rather different, what they do is luscious and fluid, and the music is subtle and nuanced. Ferrara Ensemble are maybe midway, I'm not sure -- maybe they're more inclined to the Mala Punica side of the spectrum.

[JBS]

So.... Europadisc is having an ARCANA sale: https://www.europadisc.co.uk/offer/2556/Arcana.htm

Some interesting titles with 40-50% off.
I was wondering if I could I have some feedback on these box sets? 



Q

I found the dominance of female voices in the Revardie set to be wearing on the ears.

[Carlo Gesualdo]

Dear folks how about my new purchased.

Ockeghem Missa double album on Beaty Farm

How about the new Brabant ensemble album 2019, Johannes Hellinck & Johannes Lupi, too great John of polyphony of Franco-Flemish  tradition It's astonishing folks wow.

Than my last purchased will be Jeezy I dunno perhaps some Lucio Fulci Flick what about it folks. House by the cemetery!
Never seen a fulci film.

[Carlo Gesualdo]

Dominique Phinot came to mind, since he is has  complex, not simple, really darn sophisticated, he remind strangely of Nicolas Gombert, I tell you same ink perhaps Phinot done greater works we don't know is total output, than there is Pierre Moulu very startling on Brabant ensemble and hardly explore so far by ensemble, I challenge top-notch ensemble to do some pierre moulu.

[Que]

Premont, Mandryka, San Antone, JBS and Harry - thank you all for the feedback on the ARCANA sets! 

Q

[Carlo Gesualdo]

Of course because of there famous Gombert Motets volume 1-2 4 CD of Motets, Like them a lots, by the way this Willaert album is awesome Cenquencento are rad , what can I say, I'm a big fan of Willaert, that for sure, and try please mister Jean Guyot whit same ensemble.

[Que]

Dear folks how about my new purchased.

Ockeghem Missa double album on Beaty Farm

Are a (generally) a fan of Beauy Farm?
I have the Gombert motets vol. 1 and although I like, I'm not a 100% convinced....

How about the new Brabant ensemble album 2019, Johannes Hellinck & Johannes Lupi, too great John of polyphony of Franco-Flemish  tradition It's astonishing folks wow.

If you like Dutch/Flemish polyphony like Hellinck en Lupi, I would strongly recommend this amazing 12CD set ( works of both composers are included):

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At some European Amazons there are still a few copies available on offer for very low prices!

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[Que]

Of course because of there famous Gombert Motets volume 1-2 4 CD of Motets, Like them a lots, by the way this Willaert album is awesome Cenquencento are rad , what can I say, I'm a big fan of Willaert, that for sure, and try please mister Jean Guyot whit same ensemble.

Have the Guyot recording as well....  Nice recording and nice music, though Guyot was not the most distinctive composer.
My Cinquecento favourites sofar are their De monte, Willaert, Vaet, the music for the court of Maximilian and the Habsburg court songs. Another minor composer they did, and I liked (better than Guyot) was Jacobus Regnart.

Their recent Lassus I found slightly dissapointing - too low on energy and expression IMO.

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[Que]

Dominique Phinot came to mind, since he is has  complex, not simple, really darn sophisticated, he remind strangely of Nicolas Gombert, I tell you same ink perhaps Phinot done greater works we don't know is total output,

Any recommendation?

than there is Pierre Moulu very startling on Brabant ensemble and hardly explore so far by ensemble, I challenge top-notch ensemble to do some pierre moulu.

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I have considered that recording....
Although the music is probably transposed upwards to accommodate the female singers - something I'm not keen on but seems common practice amongst British ensembles... But it's just not a good idea....

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[Carlo Gesualdo]

What a mysterious classical composer, I would situated is music in between Ars subtilior- and early renaissance.

I have the Ricercare album which is sublime, and  couple of track on a vinyl.

I would say he an interesting figure of Franco-Flemish.

At time he wwould remind me of ccomposer such has Solage and I dunno why but Binchois.

He was an eye opener this last year 2019.Are there more album  of Lymburgia??

Perhaps Paolo de Firenze also remind me of him too.

[Mandryka]

The Lantins, also recorded by Baptiste Romain, who's clearly doing stalwart work to revive early c14 music.

[Que]

Premont, Mandryka, San Antone, JBS and Harry - thank you all for the feedback on the ARCANA sets! 

Q

Well, Spotify is a perfect way to audition recordings.

The set by La Reverdie and the Ferrara Ensemble go on the shopping list.
Not the set by Mala Punica however - the music has been transposed upwards too much.
I found the comment (via PM) by Harry spot on in this respect.

Q

[Carlo Gesualdo]

Indeed Batiste Romain is doing is best to revive  Johannes de Lymburgia.

[Que]

What a mysterious classical composer, I would situated is music in between Ars subtilior- and early renaissance.

I have the Ricercare album which is sublime, and  couple of track on a vinyl.

I would say he an interesting figure of Franco-Flemish.

At time he wwould remind me of ccomposer such has Solage and I dunno why but Binchois.

He was an eye opener this last year 2019. Are there more album  of Lymburgia??

Perhaps Paolo de Firenze also remind me of him too.

As far as I can tell, the Romain is the only album around dedicated to this composer...

But thanks for pointing it out, I wishlisted it. 

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[San Antone]

Johannes de Lymburgia whose real name is thought to have been Johannis Vinandi was Franco-flemish composer, active in Italy during the first part of the 15th century, ca. 1420-1440.  51 works are attributed to him, and that Baptiste Romain recording incudes 15 of them. 

Only one documentary reference to him is known: on 18 November 1431 in the palace of Bishop Pietro Emiliani of Vicenza 'presbitero Johanne cantore de Limburgia q. Johannis Vinandi, beneficiato ecclesie vincentine' was among the witnesses to the will of another of Emiliani's familiars. He may have been associated with Emiliani's provision of the previous month for training young singers (Gallo and Mantese). 

"Most pieces are in three parts, with a songlike texted upper voice and untexted equal-range tenor and contratenor, usually in tempus perfectum. The upper parts are often florid and ornamented; chant is sometimes paraphrased in the discant or presented in the tenor. Discant and tenor are written out in his fauxbourdon works." (from the Grove entry)

Works

Mass cycle, pairs and movements

Ky, Gl, Cr, San, Ag, 3, 4vv (Sanctus tropes 'Sanctus admirabilis splendor', 'Sanctus mundi fabricator et rector'), nos. 127–31

Gloria, Credo, 3vv, nos.94–5

Gloria, Credo, 3vv, nos.32–3

Kyrie 'Qui de stirpe regia', 3vv, no.101

Kyrie, 3vv (on Gregorian Kyrie IX), no.160

Gloria 'Spiritus et alme', 3vv, no.161

Credo, 3vv, no.126

Salve sancta parens, 3vv (introit), no.158

Magnificat settings

Magnificat, 4vv (8th tone), no.163

Magnificat, 3vv (1st tone), no.318

Magnificat de 2° tono, 3vv (fauxbourdon), no.319

Magnificat de 6° tono, 2vv, no.320

Magnificat, 3vv (8th tone), no.321

Hymns

Ad cenam agni providi, 3vv (Easter season; with fauxbourdon version), no.297

Criste redemptor omnium, 3vv (Christmas), no.294

Magne dies leticie, 3vv (St Peter; with fauxbourdon version), no.282

Virginis proles opifexque matris, 3vv (Nativity of virgins; fauxbourdon), no.314

Motets

Tu nephanda prodigi/Si inimicus meus/Emitat celum fulgura, 4vv, no.171

Laude

Imnizabo regi meo, 3vv (17 stanzas), no.198

Recordare, frater pie, 3vv (13 stanzas), no.166

Salve, salus mea, 3vv (12 stanzas), no.170

Salve, virgo regia, 3vv (5 stanzas), no.266

Verbum caro factum est, 3vv (9 stanzas), no.283

Other works

Ave, mater nostri redemptoris, 3vv, I-TRmp 92 (to BVM; edn in DTÖ, xiv–xv, Jg.vii (1900), 213), no.265

Congruit mortalibus plurima, 3vv (in honour of Giovanni Contarini), no.187

Descendi in ortum meum, 3vv (Song of Songs), no.183

Gaude felix Padua, 3vv (to St Anthony of Padua; not ed. in Etheridge), no.288

In hac die celebri, 3vv (to St George), no.189

Martires Dei incliti, 3vv (to SS Leonzio and Carpoforo; edn. in Gallo and Mantese), no.186

O Baptista mirabilis, 3vv (to St John Baptist; not ed. in Etheridge), no.286

O Maria maris stella, 3vv (to BVM), no.284

Ostendit mihi angelus, 3vv (for Easter), no.167

Puer natus in Bethleem, 4vv (for Christmas), no.205

Pulchra es, amica mea, 3vv (Song of Songs), no.177

Recordare, virgo mater, 3vv (to BVM), no.270

Regina celi, 3vv (to BVM), no.199

Surexit Cristus hodie, 3vv (for Easter), no.175

Surge, propera amica mea, 4vv (Song of Songs), no.204

Tota pulchra es, 4vv (Song of Songs), no.197

Veni, dilecte my, 3vv (Song of Songs; attrib. Du Fay in I-AO, TRmp 87, Johannes in Bc Q15; probably by Johannes; edn in CMM, i/1 (1947), 29), no.279

Anonymous works attributed by modern scholars

Gaude flore virginali, 3vv, no.285

Hec dies quam fecit Dominus, 3vv, no.190

Salve vere gracialis, 3vv, no.188

Magnificat, 3vv, no.322

Magnificat, 3vv, no.323

[San Antone]

Speaking of Baptiste Romain, I've enjoyed this recording since it came out in 2018.

[Mandryka]

  When there was an awareness of a vertical harmonic progression as opposed to thinking of the music as linear musical parts

This discussion popped into my mind again just now reading about Machaut reception history, about how people used to think that the vertical harmonies in the mass were too horrible to be taken seriously as music, and how they created performance editions to deal with that. And then Andrew Parrott came along . . . .

[vers la flamme]

This discussion popped into my mind again just now reading about Machaut reception history, about how people used to think that the vertical harmonies in the mass were too horrible to be taken seriously as music, and how they created performance editions to deal with that. And then Andrew Parrott came along . . . .

What changed in the world of Machaut interpretation with Parrot? Do you think his recording of, say, the Notre Dame Mass, still holds up?