The Early Music Club (EMC)

[Mandryka]

There's a recording of it reviewed by Classics Today with a bit of information on it. It seems its official name is the Peterhouse Mass.
https://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-3252/

Thanks - I'm listening now. And of course, I booked a seat at the concert!

[Mandryka]

Thanks - I'm listening now. And of course, I booked a seat at the concert!

Which turned out to be an enjoyable hour -- it's going to be broadcast and streamed. The high point for me was the Tallis lamentation and a piece by Byrd which was very contrapuntal. The Tye mass was certainly interesting in the Gloria and Sanctus. Cinquecento are the sort of singers who've thought hard about how to present their music, the focus is on sound and not on meaning. They are Bildungsbuergertum.

[Mandryka]

The end is nigh

http://www.orlandoconsort.com/news.htm

[Traverso]

Which turned out to be an enjoyable hour -- it's going to be broadcast and streamed. The high point for me was the Tallis lamentation and a piece by Byrd which was very contrapuntal. The Tye mass was certainly interesting in the Gloria and Sanctus. Cinquecento are the sort of singers who've thought hard about how to present their music, the focus is on sound and not on meaning. They are Bildungsbuergertum.

At least organized/ordered sound, what we call music today. The music or sound can be helpful in freeing the meaning from its dogmatic corset, although the mind will tend to return it to a limited, comprehensible concept.
It is the gravity of our conditioning.
Happy are we when the curtain is drawn back and the doors of perception open and give us glimpses beyond conception.

We cannot grasp the essence of things but we can be part of it.(in moments)

[Mandryka]

The music or sound can be helpful in freeing the meaning from its dogmatic corset

The meaning of what?

[Traverso]

The meaning of what?

Good question,

The meaning of what?

Good quention,I'm afraid that we are moving into too rarefied realms. What I am trying to say is that what we can experience may be more than what words indicate.

[Mandryka]

Good question,
Good quention,I'm afraid that we are moving into too rarefied realms. What I am trying to say is that what we can experience may be more than what words indicate.

Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

[Traverso]

Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

  Indeed....

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Hanai briefly explains about L'homme Arme his group will perform next month.

https://www.cappellajp.com/concert

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Can't help feel that the move from Josquin to Palestrina is a move in the wrong direction (forward, where the music IMO deteriorated, rather than back.)  Caron is a good idea though, a very good idea!

Hanai's view/opinion.

https://fonsfloris.blogspot.com/2023/01/1.html

[Mandryka]

Hanai's view/opinion.

https://fonsfloris.blogspot.com/2023/01/1.html

Thanks, and I can see how a modal Palestrina mass may be interesting - by modal I mean Hanai's highly introspective style. The article prompted me to listen to Palestrina's Salve Regina, which I couldn't remember. I'm afraid the performance I chose, Testolin, didn't convince me that the music is interesting. But possibly Hanai would, as I say.

By the way, I'm generally very sceptical about the importance of making the text clear in religious ceremonies. The text is abundantly clear in chant, and they're the boring bits of the sung mass, the bits which no one listens to, they just go into a daydream at best. When good polyphony starts up - I mean Josquin but not later - the music is so beautiful that the experience for the audience is . . . numinous.

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Thanks, and I can see how a modal Palestrina mass may be interesting - by modal I mean Hanai's highly introspective style. The article prompted me to listen to Palestrina's Salve Regina, which I couldn't remember. I'm afraid the performance I chose, Testolin, didn't convince me that the music is interesting. But possibly Hanai would, as I say.

By the way, I'm generally very sceptical about the importance of making the text clear in religious ceremonies. The text is abundantly clear in chant, and they're the boring bits of the sung mass, the bits which no one listens to, they just go into a daydream at best. When good polyphony starts up - I mean Josquin but not later - the music is so beautiful that the experience for the audience is . . . numinous.

I don't have a slightest knowledge in the genre. But I just found his comment, and I was hoping that you would enjoy reading it. Sounds like you liked it.

October, they will perform Jean de Ockeghem.

[San Antone]

I'm generally very sceptical about the importance of making the text clear in religious ceremonies.

That is your particular bias and is irrelevant considering the historical and religious priorities of Palestrina's time. I agree with the general consensus that Palestrina is the apogee of 16th century polyphony and I also enjoy his music very much.

[San Antone]

Unicum: New Songs from the Leuven chansonnier
Ensemble Leones | Marc Lewon (2023)