DG's 'Collector's Edition' Series

Started by Mark, October 15, 2007, 03:57:32 PM

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Daverz

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on October 16, 2007, 07:10:10 AM
Personally I like the DG sound better. The EMI sound is more distant and some say more natural. The DG sound is closer, more immediate, and a bit more fierce at spots. I THINK if you have higher end equipment the EMI sound would sound better. But I prefer the DG sound.

To my ears the difference is between the more natural miking of the DG recordings (particularly those in the  Herkulessaal) and the warmer, less transparent, thicker sound of the (probably multi-miked) EMI recordings.  I like both, though, and would probably grab the EMI if forced to choose by some cruel bastard.

AnthonyAthletic

Quote from: Mark on October 16, 2007, 07:05:03 AM
So, Tony, knowing my preference for good sound, are you saying the EMI Bruckner set is the better bet?

Yes,

I would say sound (which is pretty essential in Brucker) the EMI is the better choice.  If I get my years right, 1959 onwards Bruckner is being compared to 1975-80 Bruckner.

Easy enough to test a few before committing  ;)

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Daverz

Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on October 16, 2007, 07:30:48 AM
I would say sound (which is pretty essential in Brucker) the EMI is the better choice.  If I get my years right, 1959 onwards Bruckner is being compared to 1975-80 Bruckner.

Easy enough to test a few before committing  ;)

Newer doesn't mean better in this case.  The EMI recordings are obviously multi-miked and don't have the naturalness of the DG recordings (and I usually prefer EMI sound to DG sound).  The 1970s were not great years for recorded sound.

AnthonyAthletic

Quote from: Daverz on October 16, 2007, 07:15:07 AM
I like both, though, and would probably grab the EMI if forced to choose by some cruel bastard.

;D

Its also on the Brill label too with the Skrowazweksksysky (head's banjoed, can't even think of spelling that right) 0 / 00 ?

Wonder what the sound is like in comparison to the EMI....surely, not even I are daft enough to buy both EMI/Brill Box Jochum, but I am sure some people are (present company accepted)  :D

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MishaK

#24
I wouldn't be without this set:



One of the most amazing Emperor concertos ever, the reference recording of the Debussy Preludes, stunning Brahms Ballads, etc. etc.

AnthonyAthletic

Quote from: Daverz on October 16, 2007, 07:34:35 AM
Newer doesn't mean better in this case.  The EMI recordings are obviously multi-miked and don't have the naturalness of the DG recordings (and I usually prefer EMI sound to DG sound).  The 1970s were not great years for recorded sound.

Of course, that's right. 

For me the recording era was the 1960-1969 this is the period of recorded sound I appreciate the most, more so than the sound of today.  Personally, I find no greater sound or pleasure than listening to Decca's late 60's recordings and especially the Klemperer/Barbirolli 60's music.

Back with Jochum, it does pay to have both  ;D


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Peregrine

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Mark

Quote from: Peregrine on October 16, 2007, 07:44:41 AM


I got to hear a track from this set: Eschenbach makes a meal out of it and plays this classical period music in a way that makes me hate music from the classical period. ;D Give me Wurtz or Uchida.

Peregrine

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alkan

I would echo head-case for Harnoncourt in the Haydn London's.      I too have Dorati, but I turn to Harnoncourt every time when I want to listen to a London symphony    (except for 97 in which case I prefer Szell !).     
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head-case

Ok, that's one I didn't know about and which is now on my list.

Quote from: O Mensch on October 16, 2007, 07:35:50 AM
I wouldn't be without this set:



One of the most amazing Emperor concertos ever, the reference recording of the Debussy Preludes, stunning Brahms Ballads, etc. etc.

Mark

Quote from: Peregrine on October 16, 2007, 08:36:31 AM
Rather you than me...


Hey, if you prefer your Mozart to sound stodgy, laboured and under-powered, that's your bag. :D

Peregrine

Quote from: Mark on October 16, 2007, 09:34:57 AM
Hey, if you prefer your Mozart to sound stodgy, laboured and under-powered, that's your bag. :D

Yes, quite.

Perhaps listen to the set properly, then come back with your informed opinion.
:-*
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Mark

Quote from: Peregrine on October 16, 2007, 09:48:54 AM
Yes, quite.

Perhaps listen to the set properly, then come back with your informed opinion.
:-*

;D

You could tell, then, that I was just messing with you? You're right, of course: without hearing the whole set, what would I know? ;)

The new erato

For Baroque lovers I think the Zelenka set is a very good buy.

Lethevich

I like the Brahms chamber music box with the Amadeus Quartet, some well-recorded Ye Olde Tradition playing in a generous selection.

Quote from: Mark on October 16, 2007, 07:05:03 AM
So, Tony, knowing my preference for good sound, are you saying the EMI Bruckner set is the better bet?

The difference between them isn't particularly pronounced IMO - there's a fair chance that both may be too antique for you, unless you're OK in general with good recordings of that era. The main way I distinguish between the two is that the brass on the EMI one is rather more... impressive/loud/nuts.
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The new erato

Quote from: Lethe on October 16, 2007, 06:15:34 PM
I like the Brahms chamber music box with the Amadeus Quartet, some well-recorded Ye Olde Tradition playing in a generous selection.


So do I. A lot actually!

Valentino

#37
I second the Michelangeli. The LvB PC1 is my absolute favourite. Also the Mozart Hagen SQ box. I prefer the Hagens to the Mosaïques in Mozart.

Another good one is the Bach Gardiner sacred choral works.

I shall sample the Brahms chamber mentioned.
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marvinbrown

Quote from: Valentino on October 21, 2007, 10:31:53 AM
I second the Michelangeli. The LvB PC1 is my absolute favourite. Also the Mozart Hagen SQ box. I prefer the Hagens to the Mosaïquesi Mozart.

Another good one is the Bach Gardiner sacred choral works.

I shall sample the Brahms chamber mentioned.

  I am glad to hear that somebody else likes the Mozart Hagen SQ box I mentioned in my first post.  I took a risk when I bought it (it was one of more economical box sets out in the market) and  taking that risk paid off  :)

  marvin   

canninator

I can heartily recommend the Jochum Bruckner and Berg. One that I will speak up for that hasn't been mentioned is the Narciso Yepes Spanish Guitar Music set. Sublime artistry.