Grazyna Bacewicz (1909-1969)

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Scion7

Most musical scholars consider her 4th symphony her most advanced, and I agree.
When, a few months before his death, Rachmaninov lamented that he no longer had the "strength and fire" to compose, friends reminded him of the Symphonic Dances, so charged with fire and strength. "Yes," he admitted. "I don't know how that happened. That was probably my last flicker."

Spotted Horses

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 01, 2023, 06:45:34 PMThe first recording of her first two symphonies would have been a smarter move. Chandos had little imagination for the program of this disc methinks.



I guess you're referring to the fact that the cpo and Chandos series both started with the 3rd and 4th symphonies and are directly competing. Probably they were both in production at the same time and expected to go into the market with no competition. A marketing snafu for Chandos in the short term, but hopefully they will both complete their orchestral music series' and there will be no difference in the long term.

I can think of an ever worse release blunder. Within the space of a year EMI released two different CDs the paired the Dvorak Dumsky Trio with the Shostakovich Op 67 Trio, both introducing new (nubile) artists.





Symphonic Addict

I had high expectations for this fresh release. Well, they were met but not necessarily completely succeeded. The order of the pieces on the recording shows a progression in style. The Overture is perhaps her most recorded orchestral work. A bouncy opener overall. The Symphony No. 2 comes next and whilst not as impactful as the Symphonies 3 and 4, I think that it's a compact, vibrant, energetic piece lasting around 20 min. long. Then the Variations for orchestra follows, from here her language gets a little sparser. Finally, Musica sinfonica in tre movimenti closes the recording, being the most advanced piece but not too challenging I reckon. The last two pieces require more listens to grasp them better. The strength of all of these works lie into orchestration, harmony and rhythm rather than melody.

One feature that springs to the ears is how she outlines the music and gestures, all of the pieces sounding precise and detailed. Once again Borowicz and the WDR Sinfonieorchester do justice to these pieces. I guess we'll have to wait until the end of the next year for another instalment.

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foxandpeng

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on December 05, 2023, 12:44:50 PMI had high expectations for this fresh release. Well, they were met but not necessarily completely succeeded. The order of the pieces on the recording shows a progression in style. The Overture is perhaps her most recorded orchestral work. A bouncy opener overall. The Symphony No. 2 comes next and whilst not as impactful as the Symphonies 3 and 4, I think that it's a compact, vibrant, energetic piece lasting around 20 min. long. Then the Variations for orchestra follows, from here her language gets a little sparser. Finally, Musica sinfonica in tre movimenti closes the recording, being the most advanced piece but not too challenging I reckon. The last two pieces require more listens to grasp them better. The strength of all of these works lie into orchestration, harmony and rhythm rather than melody.

One feature that springs to the ears is how she outlines the music and gestures, all of the pieces sounding precise and detailed. Once again Borowicz and the WDR Sinfonieorchester do justice to these pieces. I guess we'll have to wait until the end of the next year for another instalment.



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dhibbard

what's the deal... seems like there is a competition for the Bacewicz symphony series between Chandos and CPO?

Harry

Quote from: dhibbard on December 11, 2023, 12:07:39 PMwhat's the deal... seems like there is a competition for the Bacewicz symphony series between Chandos and CPO?

There is not a competition, both companies had the same idea. So no deal.....
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Scion7

Quote from: dhibbard on December 11, 2023, 12:07:39 PMwhat's the deal... seems like there is a competition for the Bacewicz symphony series between Chandos and CPO?
Well, of course there is. Record companies have their stable of artists, and those artists take their own crack at composers' compositions. Buy me! Buy me!  That's how things have operated between DG, Philips, EMI, Chandos, CPO, CBS Masterworks, et al., music publishing companies, and concert artists since the dawn of Man.
When, a few months before his death, Rachmaninov lamented that he no longer had the "strength and fire" to compose, friends reminded him of the Symphonic Dances, so charged with fire and strength. "Yes," he admitted. "I don't know how that happened. That was probably my last flicker."

Harry

Quote from: Scion7 on December 11, 2023, 09:03:07 PMWell, of course there is. Record companies have their stable of artists, and those artists take their own crack at composers' compositions. Buy me! Buy me!  That's how things have operated between DG, Philips, EMI, Chandos, CPO, CBS Masterworks, et al., music publishing companies, and concert artists since the dawn of Man.

That was not the case in regard of CPO and Chandos. They had no idea. CPO was the first with releasing, Chandos came a month or so later.
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Scion7

That's not the point ... market competition happens.
When, a few months before his death, Rachmaninov lamented that he no longer had the "strength and fire" to compose, friends reminded him of the Symphonic Dances, so charged with fire and strength. "Yes," he admitted. "I don't know how that happened. That was probably my last flicker."

Harry

Quote from: Scion7 on December 12, 2023, 12:25:49 AMThat's not the point ... market competition happens.

O, dear you want to be right, when you are not! And that's exactly the point.
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Scion7

When, a few months before his death, Rachmaninov lamented that he no longer had the "strength and fire" to compose, friends reminded him of the Symphonic Dances, so charged with fire and strength. "Yes," he admitted. "I don't know how that happened. That was probably my last flicker."

Spotted Horses

Quote from: Harry on December 12, 2023, 12:22:44 AMThat was not the case in regard of CPO and Chandos. They had no idea. CPO was the first with releasing, Chandos came a month or so later.

Your timeline is not quite right the cpo release was recorded in November 2021, released in November 2022. The Chandos release was recorded in February 2023, released in November 2023. The cpo release was already on sale when the Chandos recording was made. However, I would assume these recording projects are planned well in advance and is seems quite plausible that Chandos had laid out their plans for a Bacewicz orchestral music series long before the cpo recordings appeared. I'd characterize it as a marketing blunder, each label thinking they'd have an open field to sell into, only to discover that a directly competing release from another label would be on offer.

Harry

Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 12, 2023, 06:44:46 AMYour timeline is not quite right the cpo release was recorded in November 2021, released in November 2022. The Chandos release was recorded in February 2023, released in November 2023. The cpo release was already on sale when the Chandos recording was made. However, I would assume these recording projects are planned well in advance and is seems quite plausible that Chandos had laid out their plans for a Bacewicz orchestral music series long before the cpo recordings appeared. I'd characterize it as a marketing blunder, each label thinking they'd have an open field to sell into, only to discover that a directly competing release from another label would be on offer.

Well one could also look at this issue from a different angle. I personally welcome more interpretations, and get the music from different perspectives. In this case I found the performances by the WDR Sinfonieorchester Köln, under Lukasz Borowicz totally different compared with the BBC Symphony Orchestra, under Sakari Oramo.
CPO planned the Bacewicz recordings a long time ago, and I assume that it was the same way with Chandos.
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Spotted Horses

Quote from: Harry on December 12, 2023, 07:47:30 AMWell one could also look at this issue from a different angle. I personally welcome more interpretations, and get the music from different perspectives. In this case I found the performances by the WDR Sinfonieorchester Köln, under Lukasz Borowicz totally different compared with the BBC Symphony Orchestra, under Sakari Oramo.
CPO planned the Bacewicz recordings a long time ago, and I assume that it was the same way with Chandos.

It certainly a benefit to the public to have both. I remember in the 70's DG and Decca went to war, releasing competing Beethoven cycles from Karajan and Solti. I'm not sure the market will support a Bacewicz war between cpo and Chandos. I just hope it doesn't hurt sales and cause one of the projects to be discontinued.

Symphonic Addict

The next instalment of Bacewicz's orchestral works from CPO to be released on September 17th! (according to JPC webpage):



This brand new recording took less time to be released in comparison with the two previous ones. Thanks a lot, CPO!
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Symphonic Addict

The new Bacewicz disc is postponed until September 20th.
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Le Buisson Ardent

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At this juncture, I'll just wait for the CPO box set of Bacewicz's orchestral works. I'm definitely more interested in their series than the one with Oramo on Chandos (no offense to Oramo who is a fine conductor), but Borowicz is really a conductor I admire even more. His series of Panufnik, for example and also on CPO, was outstanding.

Brian

Oh wow, a world premiere early symphony! I don't know the Concerto for Orchestra either but those sound like some major finds.

Symphonic Addict

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on September 12, 2024, 10:26:38 AMThe next instalment of Bacewicz's orchestral works from CPO to be released on September 17th! (according to JPC webpage):



This brand new recording took less time to be released in comparison with the two previous ones. Thanks a lot, CPO!

Just listened to this brand new release. Another great recording from CPO and stellar performances by Borowicz and the WDR Sinfonieorchester. The Uwertura Polska, Symphony No. 1 and Partita for orchestra share a similar lean, athletic neoclassicism that flows effortlessly. However, things get more spicy in the Concerto for orchestra and In una parte. Brilliant, imaginative use of all the instruments (mostly the percussion section) to conjure up absorbing atmospheres. Those two pieces were the highlights of that recording hands down.
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Rinaldo

Quote from: kyjo on November 04, 2013, 02:06:43 PMHopefully Burkhard Schmilgun (CPO) will take notice of our plea...........

Aged like fine wine. Returning to Bacewicz (and GMG, hah) after some years, I'm amazed by the SQs again, this time listening to the Silesians. I'm liking them a little bit more than the Amar Corde effort which have introduced me to Bacewicz, although their set still gets really interesting in the late quartets.

Itching to pull the trigger on the CPO releases. Good times!
"The truly novel things will be invented by the young ones, not by me. But this doesn't worry me at all."
~ Grażyna Bacewicz