Author Topic: Lepo Sumera  (Read 14979 times)

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Re: Lepo Sumera
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2014, 05:05:52 PM »
It's off to YT to settle the Sumera vs. Tuur Challenge...

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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2014, 05:16:44 PM »
ok, nevermind.

after only 2 minutes of Symphony 2 and some Piano Cto. I couldn't take it...

A Composer would haaave to be 10 Times Better than Sumera and Tuur combined: who is that?

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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2014, 06:41:49 AM »
BIS owner Robert von Bahr once again gets a little too honest on www.eclassical.com...

"Lepo Sumera orchestral music, conducted in Malmö by that budding world star, Paavo Järvi. Lepo was a fellow Estonian, tragically prematurely dead at age 50. I remember him sitting in the control room, which subsequently reeked of alcohol, but so utterly into the procedure, interested and constructive. What a talented composer, such a waste."

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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2014, 07:12:49 AM »
BIS owner Robert von Bahr once again gets a little too honest on www.eclassical.com...

"Lepo Sumera orchestral music, conducted in Malmö by that budding world star, Paavo Järvi. Lepo was a fellow Estonian, tragically prematurely dead at age 50. I remember him sitting in the control room, which subsequently reeked of alcohol, but so utterly into the procedure, interested and constructive. What a talented composer, such a waste."

Usually they say "He had such potential"- lolz- but, you know? Swedes talk like that- ha! "Yes dear, you DO look fat in that dress, why?"

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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2014, 07:00:49 PM »
Have to agree with Snyprr, I listened to some Sumera yesterday (the Cello Concerto, 6th Symphony disk) and found the music awful: unmemorable, with no development or counterpoint, meandering and pointless.

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Re: Lepo Sumera
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2014, 02:06:40 AM »
Have to agree with Snyprr, I listened to some Sumera yesterday (the Cello Concerto, 6th Symphony disk) and found the music awful: unmemorable, with no development or counterpoint, meandering and pointless.

I think that Symphony No.2 is a fine work so don't give up on him before you have heard that one (if you haven't already done so).
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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2014, 03:48:44 AM »
Have to agree with Snyprr, I listened to some Sumera yesterday (the Cello Concerto, 6th Symphony disk) and found the music awful: unmemorable, with no development or counterpoint, meandering and pointless.
I am listening to 6 now. Meandering is a good word. And in a bad way. Kalinnikov's Symphony 1 meanders, but from great melody to great melody, so it's OK. This is just orchestral colour.

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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2015, 12:32:20 PM »
I wonder if Sumera's style changed substantially over time. I just listened to Symphonies No. 2 and 3 for the first time, and you can hear the shift there already: No. 2 is much more exciting and dramatic, with bold brass writing and catchy tunes. There's a motoric minimalist/romantic atmosphere that calls to mind Glass and Adams, but Sumera does a good job avoiding minimalist cliches and knowing how to fit the techniques into a greater dramatic structure.

But then I moved on to Symphony No. 3 and, now, the Piano Concerto (written between 3 and 4), and these pieces are more of the "sound effects" school, with atmosphere and sonority aplenty but less dramatic development.

This Guardian obituary is very useful and suggests that I next try the earlyish "Music for Chamber Orchestra".

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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2015, 01:10:39 PM »
I wonder if Sumera's style changed substantially over time. I just listened to Symphonies No. 2 and 3 for the first time, and you can hear the shift there already: No. 2 is much more exciting and dramatic, with bold brass writing and catchy tunes. There's a motoric minimalist/romantic atmosphere that calls to mind Glass and Adams, but Sumera does a good job avoiding minimalist cliches and knowing how to fit the techniques into a greater dramatic structure.

But then I moved on to Symphony No. 3 and, now, the Piano Concerto (written between 3 and 4), and these pieces are more of the "sound effects" school, with atmosphere and sonority aplenty but less dramatic development.

This Guardian obituary is very useful and suggests that I next try the earlyish "Music for Chamber Orchestra".

I am listening to 6 now. Meandering is a good word. And in a bad way. Kalinnikov's Symphony 1 meanders, but from great melody to great melody, so it's OK. This is just orchestral colour.

Something happened. Maybe he got elected. That would explain those otherwise puzzling "Vote no on Beethoven" references in diaries from about 1810.

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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2015, 04:59:14 PM »
Of course, it would be easy to blame any decline in the quality of Sumera's work, in the 1990s, on his increasing alcoholism and erratic behavior.

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Re: Lepo Sumera
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2015, 06:33:55 PM »
I really like, and enjoy, Sumera's Symphony No. 2. I can't say the rest of his music has caught my attention or at least what has been released on BIS, although I still haven't heard the Mushroom Cantata or Symphony No. 6.
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« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2016, 12:36:02 PM »
I like Sumera, but certainly not Tüür.
One only stumbles across the BIS recordings and a CD with short movie pieces by him from time to time; no chamber, solo - or much vocal music.

He did indeed get elected in some way; served as a minister of culture in Estonia.
http://www.emic.ee/?sisu=heliloojad&mid=58&id=90&lang=eng&action=view&method=biograafia
http://www.emic.ee/lepo-sumera

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http://www.emic.ee/?sisu=heliloojad&mid=58&id=90&lang=eng&action=view&method=diskograafia

 
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Re: Lepo Sumera
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2020, 06:40:21 AM »
Wow, not enough love for this very fine composer.  Some of you might enjoy this 70th birthday celebration concert from just a few months ago featuring some of his chamber music performed and moderated by his daughter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xSv1MTKmDI

I miss him and wish he was still with us.

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« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2020, 07:03:04 AM »
Wow, not enough love for this very fine composer.  Some of you might enjoy this 70th birthday celebration concert from just a few months ago featuring some of his chamber music performed and moderated by his daughter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xSv1MTKmDI

I miss him and wish he was still with us.

He died too young. Symphony No.2 is a masterpiece IMO 'Modern music' with a soul. Harry is a fan as well and Christo has met him at one of his famous tea parties.  ;D
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Re: Lepo Sumera
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2020, 07:08:30 AM »
I've tried to give this music a chance several times, but as I would say if I were to wind up on a desert isle with Jenny Tonge: "I can't ..... I just can't."
The Germans, who make doctrines out of everything, deal with music learnedly; the Italians, being voluptuous, seek in it lively, though fleeting, sensations; the French, more vain than perceptive, manage to speak of it wittily; and the English pay for it . . . - Stendhal

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Re: Lepo Sumera
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2020, 07:12:47 AM »
I've tried to give this music a chance several times, but as I would say if I were to wind up on a desert isle with Jenny Tonge: "I can't ..... I just can't."

Have you tried Symphony No.2? I love that work.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).