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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #160 on: February 21, 2020, 08:20:29 AM »
You obviously have a different system to mine  8)


From acorns.......... ;D
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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #161 on: February 22, 2020, 01:30:08 AM »
From acorns.......... ;D
Haha - not for a while though I fear. However I have now spotted my old Dual turntable above my daughter's wardrobe so I might retrieve it and get it put back into operation if possible.
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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #162 on: April 18, 2020, 08:44:27 PM »
Have been enjoying this CD over the weekend. I'd never heard the 'Four Episodes' before and they are very engaging and memorable, especially the 'Chinese' section. The 'Two Poems' ('Hiver' and 'Printemps') are very poetic and atmospheric. 'Printemps' at times reminded me of the 'Israel Symphony' in its darkly moving way. The 'Concertino' is more neo-classical in style and enjoyable in a different way. It strikes me that if you want a change from Bloch's more familiar (or less unknown) works like 'Schelomo' this would be a good place to start:
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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #163 on: April 19, 2020, 05:56:52 PM »
Have been enjoying this CD over the weekend. I'd never heard the 'Four Episodes' before and they are very engaging and memorable, especially the 'Chinese' section. The 'Two Poems' ('Hiver' and 'Printemps') are very poetic and atmospheric. 'Printemps' at times reminded me of the 'Israel Symphony' in its darkly moving way. The 'Concertino' is more neo-classical in style and enjoyable in a different way. It strikes me that if you want a change from Bloch's more familiar (or less unknown) works like 'Schelomo' this would be a good place to start:


Yes, it's an excellent disc of less well-known Bloch, beautifully recorded.  The early works demonstrate how skilled a composer he was even in his youth.  His style changed a lot, but there's still a recognizable personality behind the music.

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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #164 on: April 19, 2020, 09:22:14 PM »
Yes, it's an excellent disc of less well-known Bloch, beautifully recorded.  The early works demonstrate how skilled a composer he was even in his youth.  His style changed a lot, but there's still a recognizable personality behind the music.

Totally agree with you. I think that the CD is 'more than the sum of its parts'. It makes a very nice programme of Bloch's music and I have been playing it through from beginning to end with great pleasure.
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"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #165 on: April 20, 2020, 01:43:04 AM »
Have been enjoying this CD over the weekend. I'd never heard the 'Four Episodes' before and they are very engaging and memorable, especially the 'Chinese' section. The 'Two Poems' ('Hiver' and 'Printemps') are very poetic and atmospheric. 'Printemps' at times reminded me of the 'Israel Symphony' in its darkly moving way. The 'Concertino' is more neo-classical in style and enjoyable in a different way. It strikes me that if you want a change from Bloch's more familiar (or less unknown) works like 'Schelomo' this would be a good place to start:


This looks like an interesting selection, I recognised the name Dalia Atlas but after checking found it was a different disc. I will have to see if I can download the Naxox album. Meanwhile, listening to Prelude and Two Psalms - intense stuff from Christiane Oelze (soprano) with the Deutsches Symphonie-Orchester conducted by Steven Sloane,

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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #166 on: April 20, 2020, 03:45:18 AM »
A few years back I had an intense Bloch period. I bought many downloads from Eclassical and burned them to disc. Unfortunately I stored away these ‘fake cds’ to make room for the real ones I kept buying and buying. I’ve pulled them out and will listen to them again. Bloch is one of the most individual voices in music.
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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #167 on: April 20, 2020, 04:29:57 AM »
I've just realised that a very touching and poignant section towards the end of 'Printemps' reminded me of something; it is the closing section of the towering Symphony in C sharp minor.
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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #168 on: April 20, 2020, 04:39:34 AM »
I've just realised that a very touching and poignant section towards the end of 'Printemps' reminded me of something; it is the closing section of the towering Symphony in C sharp minor.

These 'reminders' can be unexpected - a couple of moments in the Psalms reminded me of Asie from Ravel's Sheherazade.

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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #169 on: April 20, 2020, 05:07:27 AM »
These 'reminders' can be unexpected - a couple of moments in the Psalms reminded me of Asie from Ravel's Sheherazade.

Interesting. I should say that the Bloch CD is only 52 minutes in length but is a case of 'less is more' as it makes a very satisfying 'concert'. I haven't yet mentioned the rather charming 'Suite Modale' for flute and strings.
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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #170 on: April 20, 2020, 05:17:24 AM »
Interesting. I should say that the Bloch CD is only 52 minutes in length but is a case of 'less is more' as it makes a very satisfying 'concert'. I haven't yet mentioned the rather charming 'Suite Modale' for flute and strings.

Thanks, I have already bought the album as a lossless download from Presto - looking forward to hearing it.

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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #171 on: April 20, 2020, 05:27:58 AM »
Thanks, I have already bought the album as a lossless download from Presto - looking forward to hearing it.
Looking forward to hearing your views on it.
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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #172 on: April 27, 2020, 12:00:16 PM »


Is there a more epic and stunning first symphony than this one? Walton and Langaard are other superb examples, but at the moment I'm enjoying the thoroughly glorious Bloch, what a boisterous tour de force this is! And magical moments aplenty, music highly suggestive, lush and sumptuous, featuring some of the most cataclysmic climaxes in the music literature. I love this, the terrific blend between Strauss, Mahler and Respighi (mostly) and the Bloch's emergent voice is just astounding, a desert-island work for sure. I tend to prefer this version to that of Naxos, though.

Terrific indeed. I was surprised to hear a fugue in the last movement that sounds strikingly like that in the finale of Bruckner’s 5th symphony - an abrupt theme sounded over wide intervals. And yet Bloch does not bring it back for a peroration !

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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #173 on: April 27, 2020, 01:05:30 PM »
Terrific indeed. I was surprised to hear a fugue in the last movement that sounds strikingly like that in the finale of Bruckner’s 5th symphony - an abrupt theme sounded over wide intervals. And yet Bloch does not bring it back for a peroration !

I did notice that the last movement begins with a fugue, but I couldn't relate it to anything.

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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #174 on: April 28, 2020, 09:32:56 AM »
Has there been discussion on this thread of the “Israel” Symphony?
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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #175 on: April 28, 2020, 09:34:23 AM »
Has there been discussion on this thread of the “Israel” Symphony?

Maybe. Vandermolen and myself have listened to it last year.

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« Reply #176 on: April 28, 2020, 12:01:00 PM »
Maybe. Vandermolen and myself have listened to it last year.

Thanks. I have now located it.
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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #177 on: April 28, 2020, 12:49:25 PM »
Has there been discussion on this thread of the “Israel” Symphony?
I have these recordings all of which I enjoy:
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The Svetlanov was reissued more recently on Brilliant Classics and the Naxos recording was originally on ASV.

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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #178 on: April 28, 2020, 10:51:50 PM »
I have these recordings all of which I enjoy:
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The Svetlanov was reissued more recently on Brilliant Classics and the Naxos recording was originally on ASV.



Memory like a sieve! Looking back on the thread I discovered I have already had a discussion, well a mention, with you, Jeffrey. :o I have the Abravanel recording which I played yesterday - big powerful work.

Still waiting on delivery of the Bloch Naxos CD. >:(
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Re: Ernest Bloch (1880-1959)
« Reply #179 on: April 28, 2020, 11:15:09 PM »
Memory like a sieve! Looking back on the thread I discovered I have already had a discussion, well a mention, with you, Jeffrey. :o I have the Abravanel recording which I played yesterday - big powerful work.

Still waiting on delivery of the Bloch Naxos CD. >:(
I played the Bloch Naxos 'Four Episodes' CD again yesterday or the day before, still with much pleasure. I like every work on it and 'Printemps' echoes the 'Israel Symphony' in places. Hope it arrives soon Lol. That Abravanel recording is excellent. Like with Ansermet, I invariably think highly of his recordings.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).