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vandermolen

#1320
April 27, 2023, 06:28:55 AM
Quote from: Albion on April 27, 2023, 05:32:59 AMYou couldn't really go wrong with Boult conducting Holst. Somewhere or other I've got a stunning broadcast by Charles Groves but I (typically) can't find it...

 ::)
I rate Groves highly and love the box set of his recordings. Next time you are involved in a collision with a Leaning Tower of CDs it may well turn up.  8)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Albion

#1321
April 27, 2023, 06:30:15 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 27, 2023, 06:09:35 AMIs it on cassette by any chance?

PD

Quote from: vandermolen on April 27, 2023, 06:28:55 AMI rate Groves highly and love the box set of his recordings. Next time you are involved in a collision with a Leaning Tower of CDs it may well turn up.  8)

It will be somewhere on a CD-R but my labeling system is as chaotic as my life in general...

:o
A piece is worth your attention, and is itself for you praiseworthy, if it makes you feel you have not wasted your time over it. (SG, 1922)

Pohjolas Daughter

#1322
April 27, 2023, 07:18:52 AM
Quote from: Albion on April 27, 2023, 06:30:15 AMIt will be somewhere on a CD-R but my labeling system is as chaotic as my life in general...

:o
I did find a partial upload of an off-air recording with Groves (from 1967).  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ia2Pp9YhZY

PD

Albion

#1323
April 27, 2023, 08:53:59 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 27, 2023, 07:18:52 AMI did find a partial upload of an off-air recording with Groves (from 1967).  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ia2Pp9YhZY

PD

This is the same broadcast of the opera subsequently issued by Lyrita.



It's not bad, but the cuts are important and the recording is totally surpassed by Handley.
A piece is worth your attention, and is itself for you praiseworthy, if it makes you feel you have not wasted your time over it. (SG, 1922)

Pohjolas Daughter

#1324
April 27, 2023, 09:33:39 AM
Quote from: Albion on April 27, 2023, 08:53:59 AMThis is the same broadcast of the opera subsequently issued by Lyrita.



It's not bad, but the cuts are important and the recording is totally surpassed by Handley.
Ah interesting, thanks.  Well, the person who uploaded it also mentioned that his copy had been on cassette and that he wasn't able to salvage all of it!

Currently, I'm listening to a different English composer:  Elton John.  :)

PD

Albion

#1325
April 27, 2023, 12:23:51 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 27, 2023, 09:33:39 AMAh interesting, thanks.  Well, the person who uploaded it also mentioned that his copy had been on cassette and that he wasn't able to salvage all of it!

Currently, I'm listening to a different English composer:  Elton John.  :)

PD

All good stuff, I was playing The Beatles earlier...
A piece is worth your attention, and is itself for you praiseworthy, if it makes you feel you have not wasted your time over it. (SG, 1922)

lordlance

#1326
April 27, 2023, 06:15:29 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 27, 2023, 09:33:39 AMCurrently, I'm listening to a different English composer:  Elton John.  :)

PD

Might I recommend two great Elton John songs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx87tqiKpvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcGT9wTpCn8
If you are interested in listening to orchestrations of solo/chamber music, you might be interested in this thread.
Also looking for recommendations on neglected conductors thread.

Roy Bland

#1328
May 16, 2023, 08:11:37 PM

relm1

#1329
May 17, 2023, 05:58:20 AM
This looks interesting.

calyptorhynchus

#1330
May 30, 2023, 03:41:14 PM
Just been listening to this splendid Symphony by Hubert Clifford (originally from Australia):



It's surprising that having written such a wonderful work Clifford should not have produced anything much else (the other works of his I have heard are nowhere near as compelling).

'Many men are melancholy by hearing music, but it is a pleasing melancholy that it causeth.' Robert Burton

vandermolen

#1331
May 30, 2023, 11:10:01 PM
Quote from: calyptorhynchus on May 30, 2023, 03:41:14 PMJust been listening to this splendid Symphony by Hubert Clifford (originally from Australia):



It's surprising that having written such a wonderful work Clifford should not have produced anything much else (the other works of his I have heard are nowhere near as compelling).


Oh, I completely agree - it's a fine 'triumph against the odds' Symphony. I think that Clifford was composing it in London during the Blitz. I must play it again later today. I like the Bainton Symphony as well, although the very moving 3rd symphony (his wife sadly died during that time) is even better (Dutton CD).
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

kyjo

#1332
May 31, 2023, 07:05:12 AM
Quote from: calyptorhynchus on May 30, 2023, 03:41:14 PMJust been listening to this splendid Symphony by Hubert Clifford (originally from Australia):



It's surprising that having written such a wonderful work Clifford should not have produced anything much else (the other works of his I have heard are nowhere near as compelling).



I listened to the Clifford symphony a few months ago and enjoyed it until the slow movement which I found to be rather tedious. I definitely prefer Bainton's 2nd on that disc with its dramatic, Baxian ethos, and as Jeffrey mentions his 3rd symphony is even finer.
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

calyptorhynchus

#1333
May 31, 2023, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: kyjo on May 31, 2023, 07:05:12 AMI listened to the Clifford symphony a few months ago and enjoyed it until the slow movement which I found to be rather tedious. I definitely prefer Bainton's 2nd on that disc with its dramatic, Baxian ethos, and as Jeffrey mentions his 3rd symphony is even finer.

Funny how tastes differs, I much prefer the Clifford. I remember writing notes on the Bainton when I listened to it, and the judgement was 'Vague, but not in a good way'!
'Many men are melancholy by hearing music, but it is a pleasing melancholy that it causeth.' Robert Burton

Symphonic Addict

#1334
May 31, 2023, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: kyjo on May 31, 2023, 07:05:12 AMI listened to the Clifford symphony a few months ago and enjoyed it until the slow movement which I found to be rather tedious. I definitely prefer Bainton's 2nd on that disc with its dramatic, Baxian ethos, and as Jeffrey mentions his 3rd symphony is even finer.

Agreed about both composers. The Clifford sounded to me like a down-watered cross between Walton and Sibelius.
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vandermolen

#1335
May 31, 2023, 10:47:29 PM
I like both works (Clifford/Bainton) but prefer the Clifford. However, don't write Bainton off until you've heard the 3rd Symphony on Dutton. I wouldn't, however, recommend Rutland Boughton's 'Oliver Cromwell Symphony' with which it is coupled.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Irons

#1336
May 31, 2023, 11:54:14 PM
Funny how composers get twinned. I cannot comment on the symphonies as I have not heard them yet but enjoy the string quartets especially Bainton's.
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

vandermolen

#1337
June 01, 2023, 03:18:16 AM
Quote from: Irons on May 31, 2023, 11:54:14 PMFunny how composers get twinned. I cannot comment on the symphonies as I have not heard them yet but enjoy the string quartets especially Bainton's.
Like Hadley/Sainton Lol!
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Irons

#1338
June 01, 2023, 07:38:14 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 01, 2023, 03:18:16 AMLike Hadley/Sainton Lol!

Yes, Jeffrey. All the fault of Debussy and Ravel. ;D
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

calyptorhynchus

#1339
June 01, 2023, 05:38:07 PM
Well I think Clifford and Bainton write in a similar idiom (though I prefer Clifford), and there's a nice symmetry in that Clifford was born in Australia, had a musical career there, then came to Britain in the late 20s, whereas Bainton was born in the Britain and went out to Australia to have a musical career.
'Many men are melancholy by hearing music, but it is a pleasing melancholy that it causeth.' Robert Burton
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