How much of your listening is guided by other GMG members?

[karlhenning]

. . . but what I tried to say was it does not make Dittersdorf a bad composer 'Dittersdorf' Quartets do not exist.

You're drinking out of the toilet again, Poju.  My pointing out the fact that Mozart admired Haydn to a degree that he did not admire Dittersdorf, doesn't map onto your strawman du jour.

So when do you start those reading lessons, eh?

[Josquin des Prez]

I am aware of Bach's influence on Mozart, of course, but what I tried to say was it does not make Dittersdorf a bad composer 'Dittersdorf' Quartets do not exist.

Could you play lay off the strawmen for a while? It's annoying, and silly.

[Larry Rinkel]

I am aware of Bach's influence on Mozart, of course, but what I tried to say was it does not make Dittersdorf a bad composer 'Dittersdorf' Quartets do not exist.

No, Dittersdorf wrote quartets. Actually the one in Eb (I think #5) is pretty good. I have it on a nice quartet anthology done by the Weller Quartet.

[Larry Rinkel]

i don't think there's a point in any of this at all... i could write an Ubloobideega quartet, or a Poju Quartet if i wanted to lol

I'd settle for a Poopy Quartet.

[Kullervo]

I'd settle for a Poopy Quartet.

I'd settle for Greg changing his handle back to something that doesn't make me instinctively grimace every time I see it.

[lukeottevanger]

I feel sorry for poor old Ditters. dB's made him become the butt of so many jokes, but the man himself was well aware of his own limitations, and would have laughed at an attempt to make more of him than is merited:

...even if I gave no proof of fiery genius, which never slumbers and sleeps, and seldom does what it is told, I am just as well content; for my honest punctuality in time and business stood me in good stead in later life

[karlhenning]

No, Dittersdorf wrote quartets. Actually the one in Eb (I think #5) is pretty good.

Great name for an ensemble: "The Pretty Good Quartet"

[Solitary Wanderer]

Great name for an ensemble: "The Pretty Good Quartet"

Yes the PGQ would compliment the RTO [Really Terrible Orchestra] 

[71 dB]

No, Dittersdorf wrote quartets. Actually the one in Eb (I think #5) is pretty good. I have it on a nice quartet anthology done by the Weller Quartet.

Mozart didn't wrote 'Dittersdorf' Quartets (but wrote 'Haydn' Quartets).

I just began to listen to Dittersdorf's Quartets (I bought the cpo CDs months ago). Sounds (No. 2) very good so far! 

[karlhenning]

Mozart didn't wrote 'Dittersdorf' Quartets (but wrote 'Haydn' Quartets).

That's right, because he so admired Haydn's accomplishment in the genre, a mark of excellence.

In comparison, Dittersdorf was, at times, pretty good.

[Kullervo]

Yes the PGQ would compliment the RTO [Really Terrible Orchestra] 

Tonight the RTO will be performing PDQ Bach's Erotica Variations for banned instruments...

[karlhenning]

What a touching sight: Poju patting himself on the back for listening to Dittersdorf!

[Mark]

I'd settle for Greg changing his handle back to something that doesn't make me instinctively grimace every time I see it.

Seconded.

I also wish every damn thread didn't end up becoming a fresh battleground for Poju and his detractors. But then, I wished for a bike when I was eight and didn't get that, so I see no reason why this wish should come true.

[Kullervo]

Seconded.

I also wish every damn thread didn't end up becoming a fresh battleground for Poju and his detractors. But then, I wished for a bike when I was eight and didn't get that, so I see no reason why this wish should come true.

Thanks, that gave me a good laugh.

[Peregrine]

Seconded.

I also wish every damn thread didn't end up becoming a fresh battleground for Poju and his detractors. But then, I wished for a bike when I was eight and didn't get that, so I see no reason why this wish should come true.

Thirded. I wanted a BMX at that age, but mum would only buy me a grifter, as it came with mudguards....Oh well it had a nifty gear change in the handle, but still 

[Solitary Wanderer]

Yeah, I desperately wanted a Chopper when I was about 8.



But my Father bought a second-hand generic dunger and gave it a paint job 

A year or so later I got ape-hanger handle-bars and a banana seat which improved the look 

[Peregrine]

The Chopper! Design classic!

Perhaps we ought to start a new thread chaps...

'Bikes you wanted as kids, but didn't get and are now psychologically damaged', or something similar..

[Renfield]

I didn't want a bicycle, as a child; I don't want a bicycle now.

I just use my feet, and spare myself the trauma.


So what was the topic of this thread again? Ah, yes... Well, funny thing is, I've found myself listening to a lot more Elgar than I otherwise might have, after the most recent round of the "71db Wars". So there: "rule, Britannia!" But then again, I liked Elgar to begin with, so it's not that much of a change.

[max]

I applaud your frank, manly statement, notwithstanding my own fervent admiration for Stravinsky 

Well thank you Karl! But I don’t always know when you’re playing!.

In any event, manly has nothing to do with it. Many things are not understood. Much is positively misunderstood and therefore any opinion that floats to the top of one’s confusion remains invalid. Only those who hardwire their opinions with an overdeveloped ego won’t have anything to be confused about because there's never any reason to doubt themselves.

Now!…please leave all contributions in the collection box 0:)

[Larry Rinkel]

I feel sorry for poor old Ditters. dB's made him become the butt of so many jokes, but the man himself was well aware of his own limitations, and would have laughed at an attempt to make more of him than is merited:

Well yes, but Ditters's opinion of Mozart is also very revealing - not only about how Mozart was perceived in his own time but about Ditters's quite significant limitations:

He [Mozart] is unquestionably one of the greatest original geniuses, and I know of no composer who possesses such an astonishing wealth of ideas. I should wish that he were not so spendthrift with them. He does not allow the listener to breathe, for hardly has one perceived one beautiful idea than another, more splendid, appears on its heels, and this continues without cease until, in the end, one can barely retain all these beauties in memory.

With Ditters by contrast, (and I was listening to some of his Ovid Symphonies this morning) a perfectly decent idea is repeated, then repeated, then varied maybe just slightly. But there's nothing to keep the listener's mind alert and active. It's all so symmetrical and predictable; there's never any element that surprises or astonishes. And since we've absorbed Mozart's more complicated, more difficult idiom plus much more that followed him, Ditters's music sounds simplistic and ultimately rather boring.