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Offline Rinaldo

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Shoo, Schoonderwoerd?
« on: January 21, 2022, 08:11:50 AM »
First, a review.



Then, some (actually, a lot of) good ol' Dave Hurwitz.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/uPyM57xG__M" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/uPyM57xG__M</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/PiTmAM_81Nw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/PiTmAM_81Nw</a>

And finally, a confession: I love, love, love Schoonderwoerd's recordings of the Beethoven PCs. They are so delightful, so life-affirming like a winter morning bathed in sunlight, which is something we experienced here in Prague today and it made me immediately recall this set.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/XpA25dG8XlU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/XpA25dG8XlU</a>

Is it the perfect interpretation? Hah, of course not. Is this guy's approach highly debatable? Hah, of course it is. The only thing that's certain: I'm gonna continue to enjoy every single creaky, clanky, cheery second of it. Any Schoonderwoerd fans over here? Haters? Does he deserve that much flak? I've enjoyed O'Hanlon's takedown, even though I obviously disagree with him – give me 'skeletonised' Beethoven over pompous exuberance any day.

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Re: Shoo, Schoonderwoerd?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2022, 09:10:14 AM »
And finally, a confession: I love, love, love Schoonderwoerd's recordings of the Beethoven PCs. They are so delightful, so life-affirming like a winter morning bathed in sunlight, which is something we experienced here in Prague today and it made me immediately recall this set.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/XpA25dG8XlU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/XpA25dG8XlU</a>

Is it the perfect interpretation? Hah, of course not. Is this guy's approach highly debatable? Hah, of course it is. The only thing that's certain: I'm gonna continue to enjoy every single creaky, clanky, cheery second of it. Any Schoonderwoerd fans over here? Haters? Does he deserve that much flak? I've enjoyed O'Hanlon's takedown, even though I obviously disagree with him – give me 'skeletonised' Beethoven over pompous exuberance any day.

I know we are in a minority, but I'm with you my friend!  8)

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Re: Shoo, Schoonderwoerd?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2022, 09:26:48 AM »
Me too. Perhaps not my favorite set (not sure what that is, really), but one I have enjoyed many times over the years. Perhaps it is our perverse natures?   :o ;)

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Re: Shoo, Schoonderwoerd?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2022, 09:53:01 AM »
I know we are in a minority, but I'm with you my friend!  8)

Me too. Perhaps not my favorite set (not sure what that is, really), but one I have enjoyed many times over the years. Perhaps it is our perverse natures?   :o ;)

Huzzah! Perverts rejoice! >:D That said, unlike the PCs, Schondy's Eroica is too sparse for me. A fun experiment, but it seems even my perversion has its limits.



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Re: Shoo, Schoonderwoerd?
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2022, 11:22:46 AM »
I don't remember liking the set when I listened to it.
But I don't remember anything that would justify all the negativity...

Time I suppose to put it on the Listen Pile.

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Re: Shoo, Schoonderwoerd?
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2022, 11:49:50 AM »
I'll let (poco) Sforzando express my thoughts exactly on the issue.  ;D
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Re: Shoo, Schoonderwoerd?
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2022, 01:50:24 PM »
I found Schoonderwoerd's pianism to be underwhelming; I'm not sure whether it's that he's not up to the technical demands of the Beethoven piano concerti, or whether he actually has some historically informed reason for preferring unevenness in tone and rhythm when playing, plus slower tempi than specified by Beethoven or his students, plus a lack of concern for note-perfect accuracy. For whatever reason though, the result sounds like piano playing by a moderately gifted amateur, rather than a professional piano virtuoso (which Beethoven was). Ensemble Cristofori on the other hand seemed fine, well-drilled and sounding pretty good, and I don't remember having any major objections to them, either in the concerti or later on in the Eroica, except for still being too slow.

For a better exemplar of small-ensemble Beethoven piano concertos, at least from a pianophilia perspective, I recommend Robert Levin's recording of the Fourth with string quintet, here.

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Re: Shoo, Schoonderwoerd?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2022, 12:44:52 AM »
I'm just happy someone dares to do some thing different, and found the set far more illuminating than yet another glitzy big band issue which have been done to death a zillion times.

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Re: Shoo, Schoonderwoerd?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2022, 01:23:18 AM »
I'm listening to the Schoonderwoerd Beethoven PC4 and enjoying it a lot. I love the timbres in this more "intimate" setting.

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Re: Shoo, Schoonderwoerd?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2022, 01:38:18 AM »
I found Schoonderwoerd's pianism to be underwhelming; I'm not sure whether it's that he's not up to the technical demands of the Beethoven piano concerti, or whether he actually has some historically informed reason for preferring unevenness in tone and rhythm when playing, plus slower tempi than specified by Beethoven or his students, plus a lack of concern for note-perfect accuracy. For whatever reason though, the result sounds like piano playing by a moderately gifted amateur, rather than a professional piano virtuoso (which Beethoven was).

I guess one could say the piano isn't Schoonderwoerd's forte...

Thanks for the Levin recommendation!

I'll let (poco) Sforzando express my thoughts exactly on the issue.  ;D

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