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Re: What concerts are you looking forward to? (Part II)
« Reply #720 on: June 04, 2008, 01:41:55 AM »
Gurreleider - yesterday. Pretty amazing and awe-inspiring.

Nice one. I love hearing Gurrelieder in the flesh. Where and who?

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« Reply #721 on: June 04, 2008, 01:57:15 AM »
Snork?! That word is always used on The Archers message board (BBC Radio Four) to describe a screen-splattering reaction to reading something funny when you're sitting behind your computer with coffee (or tea)!

Is it? I'm not an Archers fan so I've never been on that forum.

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Re: What concerts are you looking forward to? (Part II)
« Reply #722 on: June 04, 2008, 02:37:15 AM »
Nice one. I love hearing Gurrelieder in the flesh. Where and who?
Sorry about the leider !

Bergen festival, Andrew Litton conducting. I'm still shaking. 360 performers on the stage, (incl glockenspiel, 4 harps, 4 bassons and 2 (!) bass-basoons (is that counterbasoons?), bass clarinet, some seriously large trombonesm  10 man strong percussion, 10 flutes of varying sizes, etc, etc....) .

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Re: What concerts are you looking forward to? (Part II)
« Reply #723 on: June 04, 2008, 02:58:38 AM »
Is it? I'm not an Archers fan so I've never been on that forum.

Funny. Because that is where it originated! I became active on that board in October 2006. So the word must have 'broken loose' as it were!
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Re: What concerts are you looking forward to? (Part II)
« Reply #724 on: June 04, 2008, 03:28:37 AM »
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« Reply #725 on: June 04, 2008, 04:02:07 AM »
Sorry about the leider !

Bergen festival, Andrew Litton conducting. I'm still shaking. 360 performers on the stage, (incl glockenspiel, 4 harps, 4 bassons and 2 (!) bass-basoons (is that counterbasoons?), bass clarinet, some seriously large trombonesm  10 man strong percussion, 10 flutes of varying sizes, etc, etc....) .

Contrabassoons, I believe. Why contra I have no idea.

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« Reply #726 on: June 04, 2008, 04:04:46 AM »
Contrabassoons, I believe. Why contra I have no idea.
Sounds right. Thanks.

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Re: What concerts are you looking forward to? (Part II)
« Reply #727 on: June 06, 2008, 06:03:48 AM »
Tomorrow night, I'm hearing Lorin Maazel and the New York Philharmonic in Mahler's Ninth.  The Wednesday night performance got an excellent review in the paper today, but I'm almost more excited about my listening companions: a graphic designer friend and her husband, who will be hearing their first live Mahler concert.  They are very excited about it.

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« Reply #728 on: June 06, 2008, 05:02:38 PM »
Contrabassoons, I believe. Why contra I have no idea.

The term "contra" in musical terminology is to be understood not in the sense of "opposed" but "opposite", as indicating a "mirrorred" relationship between two elements rather than a "conflict". Counterpoint is the art of putting two melody lines in relationship to each other ("opposite" of each other), but not in a conflicting way, in a way in which they relate to each other harmoniously. Instrumental or vocal ranges are typically denoted "contra" when they extend a range by mirroring it. Therefore, the extension of the "basso" range is the "contrabasso" which mirrors it. But it can also go the other way. The high male voice is the "tenor", the higher male voice which "mirrors" or extends it is the "counter tenor".

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« Reply #729 on: June 07, 2008, 01:12:19 AM »
The term "contra" in musical terminology is to be understood not in the sense of "opposed" but "opposite", as indicating a "mirrorred" relationship between two elements rather than a "conflict". Counterpoint is the art of putting two melody lines in relationship to each other ("opposite" of each other), but not in a conflicting way, in a way in which they relate to each other harmoniously. Instrumental or vocal ranges are typically denoted "contra" when they extend a range by mirroring it. Therefore, the extension of the "basso" range is the "contrabasso" which mirrors it. But it can also go the other way. The high male voice is the "tenor", the higher male voice which "mirrors" or extends it is the "counter tenor".

Thanks for the explanation. Also, I suppose that while it's logical to refer to bass clarinets, trumpets, trombones and flutes, a "bass bassoon" sounds a bit clunky.

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« Reply #730 on: June 07, 2008, 02:56:30 AM »
Thanks for the explanation. Also, I suppose that while it's logical to refer to bass clarinets, trumpets, trombones and flutes, a "bass bassoon" sounds a bit clunky.

It's more often called a 'double bassoon'.
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« Reply #731 on: June 12, 2008, 03:02:45 PM »
Tomorrow, June 13th at Avery Fischer Hall, Lorin Maazel conducts the NYPO, one of the worlds great Mahler orchestras, in Mahler's 9th Symphony. I am really excited.

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Re: What concerts are you looking forward to? (Part II)
« Reply #732 on: June 12, 2008, 03:20:33 PM »
Tomorrow, June 13th at Avery Fischer Hall, Lorin Maazel conducts the NYPO, one of the worlds great Mahler orchestras, in Mahler's 9th Symphony. I am really excited.

I heard this last Saturday night, and took a husband-and-wife couple for their first live Mahler performance.  (Not to worry; they are familiar with Mahler from recordings--I would never spring the 9th on someone by surprise.  :D

Anyway, I hope I don't oversell it, but you are in for a treat: the wife said afterward, "That gave me the vapors!"  Even with a few brass glitches (just to be fair), it was marvelous in many ways. 

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« Reply #733 on: June 12, 2008, 03:26:03 PM »
I heard this last Saturday night, and took a husband-and-wife couple for their first live Mahler performance.  (Not to worry; they are familiar with Mahler from recordings--I would never spring the 9th on someone by surprise.  :D

Anyway, I hope I don't oversell it, but you are in for a treat: the wife said afterward, "That gave me the vapors!"  Even with a few brass glitches (just to be fair), it was marvelous in many ways. 

--Bruce
Yeah, Mahler's 9th is like pizza: even when it's average it's pretty damn good.

I am also looking forward to next Saturday night, June 20, at Avery Fischer Hall, Lorin Maazel and the NYPO perform Anton Bruckner's 8th Symphony.

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« Reply #734 on: June 13, 2008, 12:26:30 AM »
Yeah, Mahler's 9th is like pizza: even when it's average it's pretty damn good.

PIZZA?!?!  ;D

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Re: What concerts are you looking forward to? (Part II)
« Reply #735 on: June 13, 2008, 05:26:38 AM »
I am also looking forward to next Saturday night, June 20, at Avery Fischer Hall, Lorin Maazel and the NYPO perform Anton Bruckner's 8th Symphony.

And I'll be hearing that same concert on Friday night.  (Saturday night I will be at a jazz concert.) 

Tonight looking forward to this at Zankel Hall.  The Ensemble ACJW (ungainly name) is a group of young players, a joint project between Carnegie Hall and Juilliard.

Ensemble ACJW
Pablo Heras-Casado, Conductor

Bach: Orchestral Suite No. 4 
Cavalli (arr. Jacob Druckman): Delizie contente che l'alme beate 
Druckman: Delizie contente che l’alme beate 
Kagel: "East" from The Compass Pieces 
Adès: Chamber Symphony, Op. 2 
Carter: Asko Concerto

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« Reply #736 on: June 13, 2008, 05:50:00 PM »
Yeah, Mahler's 9th is like pizza: even when it's average it's pretty damn good.

That pretty much sums up your understanding of music. And pizza, too, I guess. Thanks for this contribution.

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« Reply #737 on: June 13, 2008, 06:19:25 PM »
That pretty much sums up your understanding of music. And pizza, too, I guess. Thanks for this contribution.
And someone put a gun to your head and forced you to read it and reply right? Shouldn't you be worrying about which gig as a prop you are going for next?
My contributions do not include such absolutely stupid and insipid comments as to how Szell and Reiner killed music making in America, give me a break. Actually you are pretty close to a Nazi, a cultural Nazi that is. This includes every clunker made by central European orchestras is somehow more idiomatic than anything from the U.S.. And please do us a favor, stop recommending the Sinopoli Mahler cycle on DG. It is terrible, from first note to last. You go to the store and grab any Mahler recording off the shelf and the conducting, playing and recorded sound are all better.

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Re: What concerts are you looking forward to? (Part II)
« Reply #738 on: June 13, 2008, 06:35:26 PM »
Except that you don't know anything about conducting, playing, or recorded sound, so why should your "opinion" impress me? What musical experience do you base your deep analysis on?

This includes every clunker made by central European orchestras is somehow more idiomatic than anything from the U.S.

I don't think you even begin to understand what may or may not be "idiomatic" in orchestral music. That is a cultural world that is completely alien to you and that you can only look at from the outside, as you have often demonstrated. Yes, I guess it is pretty "nazi" when someone who has actually grown up in a particular culture, studying and playing the music himself has the nerve to think that he may understand that better than someone who hasn't, who lacks the most basic insights into that culture...

That's pretty completely idiotic even for you. That would be like me saying I understand Chinese culture better than you and it would make you a "Nazi" for disagreeing.

BTW, if the above is true, why did I rip and upload the complete Schubert 9 with CSO/Giulini just recently to offer it to other members as a "special treat"?

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« Reply #739 on: June 14, 2008, 12:34:43 AM »
That pretty much sums up your understanding of music. And pizza, too, I guess. Thanks for this contribution.

Blimey, who crapped on your corn flakes? Not nice.