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aligreto

#180
June 04, 2017, 07:03:53 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on June 04, 2017, 05:56:35 AM
And if it's in one of this slimline boxes,which is usually the case these days,take up far less room. Too late for me,though. The leaning tower of Holst cd's rules here,okay!! :( ;D :)

Absolutely nothing wrong there  8)

vandermolen

#181
June 04, 2017, 09:18:28 PM
Quote from: aligreto on June 04, 2017, 07:03:53 AM
Absolutely nothing wrong there  8)
+1 😀
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Rons_talking

#182
June 05, 2017, 05:43:34 AM
I have to admit, until I saw this thread I never gave the non-planetary music of Holst much thought. The Perfect Fool has some nice material but I heard little instrumental music that was in the class of The Planets.. But now I have discovered the Choral Symphony...I don't know how I've missed it over the years. What a masterwork! I listened for the first time yesterday and have been hooked! Holst seems to be more a composer for the voice- his imagination soars. I've heard The Planets enough for the next decade. This is the beauty of GMC; discovery!

aligreto

#183
June 05, 2017, 05:56:56 AM
Quote from: Rons_talking on June 05, 2017, 05:43:34 AM
I have to admit, until I saw this thread I never gave the non-planetary music of Holst much thought. The Perfect Fool has some nice material but I heard little instrumental music that was in the class of The Planets.. But now I have discovered the Choral Symphony...I don't know how I've missed it over the years. What a masterwork! I listened for the first time yesterday and have been hooked! Holst seems to be more a composer for the voice- his imagination soars. I've heard The Planets enough for the next decade. This is the beauty of GMC; discovery!

Wonderful  8) and there is so much more out there beyond Neptune  :)

Karl Henning

#184
June 05, 2017, 06:30:17 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on June 04, 2017, 05:56:35 AM
And if it's in one of this slimline boxes,which is usually the case these days,take up far less room. Too late for me,though. The leaning tower of Holst cd's rules here,okay!! :( ;D :)

Eat your heart out, Babel!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

vandermolen

#185
June 05, 2017, 09:09:58 AM
Quote from: Rons_talking on June 05, 2017, 05:43:34 AM
I have to admit, until I saw this thread I never gave the non-planetary music of Holst much thought. The Perfect Fool has some nice material but I heard little instrumental music that was in the class of The Planets.. But now I have discovered the Choral Symphony...I don't know how I've missed it over the years. What a masterwork! I listened for the first time yesterday and have been hooked! Holst seems to be more a composer for the voice- his imagination soars. I've heard The Planets enough for the next decade. This is the beauty of GMC; discovery!
I love the First Choral Symphony (there was no second one) - a magnificent work although even his friend Vaughan Williams didn't make much of it at first.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

cilgwyn

#186
October 04, 2018, 02:37:25 AM
Remember you're a Womble?! ;D

vandermolen

#187
October 04, 2018, 07:54:52 AM
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

cilgwyn

#188
October 04, 2018, 08:43:07 AM
Some of Rob Barnett's review actually make it mildly intriguing,funnily enough!! ::)  I must admit I was wondering whether Neptune would fade out to a rendition of 'Bright eyes',from the female chorus,but apparently not?!! :( ;D You must be disappointed,vandermolen?! ;D  Incidentally,I'm a bit of a fan of Steeleye Span and Maddy Prior's wonderful voice;and I have to say that Mike Batt's involvement produced,arguably,their two worst albums. Although,again,Maddy Prior's voice is enough to warrant an occasional hearing! I must admit,I'm surprised the Wombles haven't been revived in these eco minded times,considering they picked up litter on Wimbledon common! But I must be careful what I wish for! The CGI movie version might be forthcoming?!!

Christo

#189
October 04, 2018, 12:59:50 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 03, 2017, 07:41:29 AM
Dalí was (like Picasso) a superb self-promoter.  They were both gifted artists, of course;  but there may have been arguably better artists who were not energetic enough in pushing themselves.

That seems, in may ways, to be the central story of the Arts in the 20th century and after.
Hear hear. Their omnipresence was actually the main reason why I couldn't enjoy the great city of Barcelona during my first two visits, in 1989 and again 2010. Last May I was staying there again, this time in the historic centre (Barrio Gòtic) and enjoyed if very much - because this time I neglected these self-promoting artists and went for the real genius loci (spirit of the place). Barcelona and indeed all Catalonia is so much better off without this artificial 'artisttry'.  :)
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

cilgwyn

#190
October 05, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on October 04, 2018, 08:43:07 AM
Some of Rob Barnett's review actually make it mildly intriguing,funnily enough!! ::)  I must admit I was wondering whether Neptune would fade out to a rendition of 'Bright eyes',from the female chorus,but apparently not?!! :( ;D You must be disappointed,vandermolen?! ;D  Incidentally,I'm a bit of a fan of Steeleye Span and Maddy Prior's wonderful voice;and I have to say that Mike Batt's involvement produced,arguably,their two worst albums. Although,again,Maddy Prior's voice is enough to warrant an occasional hearing! I must admit,I'm surprised the Wombles haven't been revived in these eco minded times,considering they picked up litter on Wimbledon common! But I must be careful what I wish for! The CGI movie version might be forthcoming?!!
I am joking,of course!! I think it would be on a par with Tomita's version! I do quite enjoy ELP's,oft ridiculed,'arrangement' (note,polite term!) when I'm in the right mood.........but Tomita is too much;and possibly even cultural vandalism?!!

cilgwyn

#191
October 05, 2018, 12:45:01 AM
Quote from: Rons_talking on June 05, 2017, 05:43:34 AM
I have to admit, until I saw this thread I never gave the non-planetary music of Holst much thought. The Perfect Fool has some nice material but I heard little instrumental music that was in the class of The Planets.. But now I have discovered the Choral Symphony...I don't know how I've missed it over the years. What a masterwork! I listened for the first time yesterday and have been hooked! Holst seems to be more a composer for the voice- his imagination soars. I've heard The Planets enough for the next decade. This is the beauty of GMC; discovery!
The Choral symphony is wonderful,and one of my favourite choral works. I even prefer it to The Planets! My favourite recording is the Boult;and I'm quite happy with it. I will confess that I haven't heard the Chandos recording,however!

vandermolen

#192
October 05, 2018, 01:06:50 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on October 05, 2018, 12:45:01 AM
The Choral symphony is wonderful,and one of my favourite choral works. I even prefer it to The Planets! My favourite recording is the Boult;and I'm quite happy with it. I will confess that I haven't heard the Chandos recording,however!
I agree with you about the Choral Symphony although Boult's remains my favourite version ( I do have the Chandos version as well). Actually there is also very fine Sargent version which is difficult to find (Intaglio label). And yes, you are quite right that I would be very disappointed if Mike Batt's recording of the Planets did not conclude with the wordless chorus from 'Neptune' morphing into 'Bright Eyes' or 'The Wombles of Wimbledon'.
8)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Oates

#193
October 28, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
The latest addition to the Chandos cycle (which Andrew Davis inherited from the late Richard Hickox) is now available after a five year gap:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07GRLPLP7/ref=s9u_newr_gw_i2?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pd_rd_i=B07GRLPLP7&pd_rd_r=7ecfe42d-dad6-11e8-9c86-6ffa2702ab58&pd_rd_w=17Emu&pd_rd_wg=NVQdS&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=P4487215G80B4Q7VST1D&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=187bec3b-0822-4044-bbe9-441718232b3f&pf_rd_i=desktop

It centres on the early Cotswold Symphony which I must confess for me doesn't live up to the promise of its name.

vandermolen

#194
October 28, 2018, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: Oates on October 28, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
The latest addition to the Chandos cycle (which Andrew Davis inherited from the late Richard Hickox) is now available after a five year gap:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07GRLPLP7/ref=s9u_newr_gw_i2?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pd_rd_i=B07GRLPLP7&pd_rd_r=7ecfe42d-dad6-11e8-9c86-6ffa2702ab58&pd_rd_w=17Emu&pd_rd_wg=NVQdS&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=P4487215G80B4Q7VST1D&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=187bec3b-0822-4044-bbe9-441718232b3f&pf_rd_i=desktop

It centres on the early Cotswold Symphony which I must confess for me doesn't live up to the promise of its name.

Yes, one of my least favourite works by Holst.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Irons

#195
October 29, 2018, 07:56:08 AM
I have been banging on for ages to anyone who would listen about Holst's, Suite de Ballet Op.10. It opens with a "Danse Rustiqe" which is quite jolly and then morphs into a tender violin concerto. You could not get further from "The Planets". Lyrita recorded the work (SRCS. 120) with the LPO conducted by Nicholas Braithwaite.
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

Karl Henning

#196
October 29, 2018, 08:19:12 AM
Well, I shall need to seek that out . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Biffo

#197
October 29, 2018, 08:29:34 AM
I have the Lyrita Braithwaite/LPO album and will have to revisit it shortly. I also have the recent Chandos album from Andrew Davis/BBC PO. The Cotswold Symphony is not a major work but still very pleasant wit a deeply felt slow movement in memory of William Morris.

SymphonicAddict

#198
October 29, 2018, 10:35:40 AM
I'm not an expert about the The Planets countless recordings, but yesterday I listened to a Saturn that impressed me a lot, specifically from this recording:



I rediscovered this stunning timeless piece, quite possibly my favorite planet along with Uranus (which shares the wizardry with the Dukas's The Sorcerer's Apprentice in a sort of way BTW!).

Karajan was a very good conductor, despite many criticisms from some.

Karl Henning

#199
October 29, 2018, 10:37:37 AM
Dude, that is defiantly off-topic.  Just saying.

8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot
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