Non-Planets Holst

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SymphonicAddict

#200
October 29, 2018, 12:28:01 PM
Why? It's the only Holst thread I see. Sorry for the title, though.

vandermolen

#201
October 29, 2018, 12:53:43 PM
I think that there is/was a 'best recording of The Planets' thread but I don't see why we shouldn't have a generic Holst thread.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Karl Henning

#202
October 29, 2018, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on October 29, 2018, 12:28:01 PM
Why? It's the only Holst thread I see. Sorry for the title, though.

Ah, my apologies.  It had not occurred to me that there might not already be "a proper" Holst thread!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ghost of Baron Scarpia

#203
October 29, 2018, 01:57:25 PM
Too bad all composer discussion can't be organized this way, we can have "Requiem Faure" and "non-Requiem Faure," "Jupiter Symphony Mozart" and "non-Jupiter Symphony Mozart, "Appassionata Beethoven" and "non-Appassionata Beethoven." A lovely way to keep discussions on track.  ::)

vandermolen

#204
October 29, 2018, 02:12:08 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on October 29, 2018, 01:57:25 PM
Too bad all composer discussion can't be organized this way, we can have "Requiem Faure" and "non-Requiem Faure," "Jupiter Symphony Mozart" and "non-Jupiter Symphony Mozart, "Appassionata Beethoven" and "non-Appassionata Beethoven." A lovely way to keep discussions on track.  ::)

Well, most of Holst's compositions  (and he was a very fine composer) are overshadowed by 'The Planets'. So, in his case I thought that this approach was fully justified. Anyway I'm happy for my new 'Planets' thread to be ignored. I'll be starting my 'Non-Tallis Fantasia Vaughan Williams' thread shortly.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Ghost of Baron Scarpia

#205
October 29, 2018, 02:24:42 PM
Sorry, my intent wasn't to criticize the creation of the current thread. But if people are going to be chased off this thread for bringing up the P-word, we probably should have a general Holst thread.

vandermolen

#206
October 29, 2018, 10:24:13 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on October 29, 2018, 02:24:42 PM
Sorry, my intent wasn't to criticize the creation of the current thread. But if people are going to be chased off this thread for bringing up the P-word, we probably should have a general Holst thread.

A perfectly fair point.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Karl Henning

#207
October 30, 2018, 01:18:05 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on October 29, 2018, 02:24:42 PM
Sorry, my intent wasn't to criticize the creation of the current thread. But if people are going to be chased off this thread for bringing up the P-word, we probably should have a general Holst thread.

As the chaser, I already apologized, but I stand ready to apologize more if the first repentant gesture be considered insufficient.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

vandermolen

#208
October 30, 2018, 01:24:27 AM Last Edit: October 30, 2018, 01:26:54 AM by vandermolen
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 30, 2018, 01:18:05 AM
As the chaser, I already apologized, but I stand ready to apologize more if the first repentant gesture be considered insufficient.

Not at all Karl
The original confusion was caused, unintentionally, by me as my 'Non-Planets' thread ended up as the 'Holst' thread in the index. Compared to Brexit this is of minor significance from my point of view.
8)

Maybe I should start an Imogen Holst thread just to add to the chaos!

:)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Karl Henning

#209
October 30, 2018, 01:32:31 AM
Whew!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Christo

#210
October 30, 2018, 01:56:02 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 30, 2018, 01:24:27 AM
Maybe I should start an Imogen Holst thread just to add to the chaos!

:)
And I'll start a Richard Hol thread to add a little more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hol
Or would Simeon ten Holt also do?  ::) http://www.simeontenholt.com/
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Biffo

#211
October 30, 2018, 02:06:05 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 29, 2018, 02:12:08 PM
Well, most of Holst's compositions  (and he was a very fine composer) are overshadowed by 'The Planets'. So, in his case I thought that this approach was fully justified. Anyway I'm happy for my new 'Planets' thread to be ignored. I'll be starting my 'Non-Tallis Fantasia Vaughan Williams' thread shortly.

Look forward to that and to reporting my personal top ten recordings of the Tallis Fantasia on it.

vandermolen

#212
October 30, 2018, 02:09:42 AM
Quote from: Biffo on October 30, 2018, 02:06:05 AM
Look forward to that and to reporting my personal top ten recordings of the Tallis Fantasia on it.

Excellent!
:)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#213
October 30, 2018, 02:10:33 AM
Quote from: Christo on October 30, 2018, 01:56:02 AM
And I'll start a Richard Hol thread to add a little more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hol
Or would Simeon ten Holt also do?  ::) http://www.simeontenholt.com/
Another great idea.
8)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Biffo

#214
October 30, 2018, 02:19:13 AM
Quote from: Christo on October 30, 2018, 01:56:02 AM
And I'll start a Richard Hol thread to add a little more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hol
Or would Simeon ten Holt also do?  ::) http://www.simeontenholt.com/

Now if it was to be a Anthon van der Horst thread I would be up for it.

Karl Henning

#215
October 30, 2018, 03:08:47 AM
Quote from: Biffo on October 30, 2018, 02:06:05 AM
Look forward to that and to reporting my personal top ten recordings of the Tallis Fantasia on it.

I do enjoy GMG richly.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#216
October 30, 2018, 03:09:57 AM
So apart from The Piece Which [in this thread] We Do Not Name, would the most popular (or most widely disseminated) Holst be the Suites for Military Band?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Daverz

#217
October 30, 2018, 03:47:03 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 30, 2018, 03:09:57 AM
So apart from The Piece Which [in this thread] We Do Not Name, would the most popular (or most widely disseminated) Holst be the Suites for Military Band?

I tend to forget the whole universe of wind band music.  I would have said the St. Paul Suite.  Arkivmusic lists 26 recordings of the Suite for Military Band No. 1 and 24 recordings of the St. Paul Suite.

Karl Henning

#218
October 30, 2018, 04:22:27 AM
This exposes my own Holst blind spot, but honestly, all I seem to remember of the St Paul Suite is the number which is essentially retread of one of the movements of the Military Band Suites (or, vice versa).
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

vandermolen

#219
October 30, 2018, 04:23:27 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 30, 2018, 03:09:57 AM
So apart from The Piece Which [in this thread] We Do Not Name, would the most popular (or most widely disseminated) Holst be the Suites for Military Band?
They are popular and remind of the English Folksong Suite by VW but maybe the Brook Green Suite or St Paul's Suite are other possibilities. Also The Perfect Fool Ballet music, with its magical, dreamy and poetic middle movement.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).
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