Christianity as sun-worship

[Sean]

The three kings seeking the newborn Christ are the three stars of Orion's belt which along with the Star of the East ie Sirius, point to the sunrise around Dec 25th- ie they seek the sun, ie the son's birthplace. Also Dec 21/22-24 the sun pauses in the sky, before beginning elevation again on Dec 25th: after losing strength through the winter and dying as it were, before being resurrected- it's position here is also near the Southern Cross constellation (which sank below the horizon of visibility into the southern hemisphere from Europe around 400BC due to equinox precession).

Christ died on the cross for three days before being resurrected ie the sun rises one degree up again on Dec 25th. Hence numerous deities across many traditions and cultures share this crucifixion, three day death and resurrection. 12 disciples are the 12 constellations and 12 months, with the sun travelling about with, ie passing through in the sky: the number 12 occurrs many times throughtout the Bible, clearly an astrological text, explaining why Christianity is so against astrology ie to hide the fact. Also the Christian cross with the circle intersecting it is a pagan depiction of the cross drawn to quarter the zodiac circle for the solistices and equinoxes- and Christ often shown with this symbol behind his head.

[Sean]

The 'son of God' is the Sun God, Christian worship focussed on Sundays.

Sunrise is ref 'Christ has risen', also 'Christ will come again' (every morning!), to shed light and warmth etc; crown of thorns is the sunrays; 'Christ up in heaven' & 'can be seen coming in the clouds' etc etc.

[MishaK]

The 'son of God' is the Sun God, Christian worship focussed on Sundays.

Sunrise is ref 'Christ has risen', also 'Christ will come again' (every morning!), to shed light and warmth etc; crown of thorns is the sunrays; 'Christ up in heaven' & 'can be seen coming in the clouds' etc etc.

You realize of course that none of your clever puns work in non-Germanic languages, right? NB: the bible was not originally written in a Germanic language.

[Sean]

There's no escaping the list of similarities between the Christ story and the Egyptian Horus, Hindu Krishna, Greek Dionysis and other gods too numerous to mention; check this out-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeZB2EsPqGE

By the way Mensch, d'you still go with the official version of 9/11?! The conspiracy is all over the internet now...

[Brian]

Sean, you certainly have a very good point. A lot of that early Christian stuff was marketing gimmicks! Christians had to convert pagans somehow, and one terrific way to do it was to incorporate pagan rituals into Christian doctrine. The best example is Christmas day itself, which was the feast of the Son of Isis in the middle east - and of Saturn in Rome.

On the other hand a lot of sun references may derive from the simple fact that, from the beginning of time, light and dark have been exceptionally powerful metaphors, and all "light" comes from the "sun" - which can be interpreted however one wants.

[david johnson]

'the Bible, clearly an astrological text'

sure, man, sure...

dj

[Sean]

Sure thing brian, the standard response to this sort of thing will be to say Christianity was prefigured in traditions leading up to it, all part of the Christian God's plan of course.

[bwv 1080]

With roots on the island of Cuba, Son is a style of music in the eastern province of Oriente, meaning east.  Hence the link to the three kings from the East, with prominent figures in Son music often referred to as royalty.  The triune nature of God and the dual nature of good and evil is but a prefiguration of the Son Clave, with its 3-2 beat pattern.  The 12 apostles symbolize the 12 bars of the typical Son piece.  The cross symbolizes the crossed claves (see below)



By dying nailed to the metaphorical crossed claves, the crucifixion continues the prefiguration of Son with the 3:2 ratio of the upright to the crossed beam symbolizing the prevalent polyrhythm in the Son.  It is commonly misunderstood that Christ was offered vinegar on the cross, this from observers seeing the expression after it was drunk.  Proper interpretation shows this to be an especially sour Mojito

[Catison]

Does anyone know of a good, unbiased (i.e. not for or against religion) history of Christianity?

[Brian]

Does anyone know of a good, unbiased (i.e. not for or against religion) history of Christianity?

That's a tall order, friend.    If anyone has achieved such a thing so far, it would be either Karen Armstrong or Bart Ehrman, two superb historians (and darn good authors too). I have Armstrong's "Battle for God", about the history of fundamentalism in Christianity, Islam, and other religions, and Ehrman's "Misquoting Jesus", a survey of the field of Biblical textual analysis. Neither is what you're looking for, but the two authors can be strongly recommended if they have written a history of the religion.

Armstrong, by the way, is if I remember correctly a former Catholic nun who has won several awards from Muslim groups and teaches at a Jewish school of some sort. So she is, in essence, an expert on everybody!

[head-case]

By the way Mensch, d'you still go with the official version of 9/11?! The conspiracy is all over the internet now...

So is kiddie porn.  Doesn't mean there is any merit to it.

[Brian]

So is kiddie porn.  Doesn't mean there is any merit to it.

Did you know the moon landing took place on a television set in Milwaukee?

Also, Belgium does not exist.

[MishaK]

So is kiddie porn.  Doesn't mean there is any merit to it.

Couldn't have said it better. 

PS: I still go by MY version of 9/11, having been there in person (unlike you, Sean).

[Mark G. Simon]

This reminds me of a certain Star Trek episode...

[david johnson]

http://zapatopi.net/belgium/

too much fun, thanx!

dj

[hornteacher]

This reminds me of a certain Star Trek episode...

"Caesar and Christ.......they had them both."

[Mozart]

The three kings seeking the newborn Christ are the three stars of Orion's belt which along with the Star of the East ie Sirius, point to the sunrise around Dec 25th- ie they seek the sun, ie the son's birthplace. Also Dec 21/22-24 the sun pauses in the sky, before beginning elevation again on Dec 25th: after losing strength through the winter and dying as it were, before being resurrected- it's position here is also near the Southern Cross constellation (which sank below the horizon of visibility into the southern hemisphere from Europe around 400BC due to equinox precession).

Christ died on the cross for three days before being resurrected ie the sun rises one degree up again on Dec 25th. Hence numerous deities across many traditions and cultures share this crucifixion, three day death and resurrection. 12 disciples are the 12 constellations and 12 months, with the sun travelling about with, ie passing through in the sky: the number 12 occurrs many times throughtout the Bible, clearly an astrological text, explaining why Christianity is so against astrology ie to hide the fact. Also the Christian cross with the circle intersecting it is a pagan depiction of the cross drawn to quarter the zodiac circle for the solistices and equinoxes- and Christ often shown with this symbol behind his head.

Someone has watched the conspiracy theory movie Zeitgeist...

[Mozart]

Did you know the moon landing took place on a television set in Milwaukee?

Also, Belgium does not exist.

Haha so who invented french fries?

[karlhenning]

I don't think that Sean buys into that boilerplate any more than I do.  He's just on his bi-monthly pot-stirring.

If there are a great many of these zero-value-added retreads of religion-bashing, it's only going to serve to enable the Sauls of the world in their reliogiosity-spam campaigns.

That's my only remark for this thread.

[Hector]

Christ was removed from the cross after 9 hours, not 3 days.

Joseph of Arimatrea brought reviving, not embalming, herbs to the tomb.

'Resurrection' is a mis-translation of the Hebrew word that in English would be 'Revive.'

Christ, possibly, once revived, went off to the South of France to join Mary Magdalen, his long time lover.

There was a 'Mary Magdalen' cult in the South of France in early AD.