Elgar, as good a composer as......

[Harry]

Bingo.

What bingo...I don't see bingo, don't you have anything stronger as a old men's game....

[karlhenning]

Elgar is at least as good a composer as Dittersdorf, right?

[Harry]

Elgar is at least as good a composer as Dittersdorf, right?

Common Karl, this is the kind of rant I am exploding about, for heavens sake stop that.
Great greater greatest, it is of no interest to me....
You are a good composer, that is how I perceive your compositions....
Must I conclude that it is less as any other composers around.
No, I will not, for me it is good, whatever....

[Larry Rinkel]

Elgar is at least as good a composer as Dittersdorf, right?

That I would certainly agree to . . . .

[Larry Rinkel]

Common Karl, this is the kind of rant I am exploding about, for heavens sake stop that.
Great greater greatest, it is of no interest to me....
You are a good composer, that is how I perceive your compositions....
Must I conclude that it is less as any other composers around.
No, I will not, for me it is good, whatever....

"ELGAR, NONE GREATER"?

[Harry]

That I would certainly agree to . . . .

And thereby you are doing yourself no service at all...

[Harry]

"ELGAR, NONE GREATER"?

You seem to read only the literal interpretations, and I asure you there are more.
You seem to have as little ammunition against me, as you have against Poju.
That's a sigh of weakness, common I like a good fight with words...or otherwise....

[karlhenning]

Amazing works by Elgar that would be hard for many fans of romantic music to dislike:

Serenade for string orchestra, Op.20 (revised version of Three Pieces for string orchestra, 1888-92)
Variations on an Original Theme (Enigma) for orchestra, Op.36 (1899)
Sea Pictures, Song cycle for contralto and orchestra, Op.37 (1897-99)
Cockaigne (In London Town), Overture for orchestra, Op.40 (1900-01)
In the South (Alassio), Concert Overture for orchestra, Op.50 (1903-04)
Introduction and Allegro for string quartet and string orchestra, Op.47 (1904-05)
Falstaff, Symphonic Study for orchestra, Op.68 (1913)
Sospiri for string orchestra and harp, Op.70 (1914)
Sonata for violin and piano, Op.82 (1918)
String Quartet in E minor, Op.83 (1918)
Piano Quintet in A minor, Op.84 (1918-19)
Concerto for cello and orchestra in E minor, Op.85 (1918-19)

Other works which many people like, but more find less good:

The Dream of Gerontius, Oratorio for soloists, chorus and orchestra, Op.38 (1899-1900)
Pomp and Circumstance, Marches No.1-6 for orchestra, Op.39 (1901-1930; sketches, elaborated by Anthony Payne 2005-06)
Symphony No.1 in A flat for orchestra, Op.55 (1907-08)
Concerto for violin and orchestra in B minor, Op.61 (1909-10)
Symphony No.2 in E flat for orchestra, Op.63 (1909-11)
Symphony No 3 for orchestra, Op.88 (sketches, 1932-34, elaborated by Anthony Payne 1972-97)

Interesting lists!  On the whole sound;  though to my tastes, the Piano Quintet belongs on the B list, and the Violin Concerto on the A list.  Much as I like Gerontius, I couldn't argue for an upgrade. Yet. Maybe this spring's performance will be the catalyst 

[Larry Rinkel]

Great greater greatest, it is of no interest to me....
You are a good composer, that is how I perceive your compositions....
Must I conclude that it is less as any other composers around.
No, I will not, for me it is good, whatever....

By that logic, any music is as good as any other music. I don't believe that, and some composers have an annoying habit of writing music that is superior to others. I don't dispute anyone's liking any music they want, but if you can't perceive a qualitative difference between the cantatas of Bruhns and those of Bach, or the symphonies of Dittersdorf and those of Beethoven, then I have to question your powers of judgment.

[locrian]

You got Harry so riled up, he's not italicizing. 

[Kullervo]

and the Violin Concerto on the A list.

If only for the cadenza in the final movement.

[Larry Rinkel]

You seem to read only the literal interpretations, and I asure you there are more.
You seem to have as little ammunition against me, as you have against Poju.
That's a sigh of weakness, common I like a good fight with words...or otherwise....

But I'm not sighing at all, quite the contrary . . . .

[Larry Rinkel]

Interesting lists!  On the whole sound;  though to my tastes, the Piano Quintet belongs on the B list, and the Violin Concerto on the A list.  Much as I like Gerontius, I couldn't argue for an upgrade. Yet. Maybe this spring's performance will be the catalyst 

With KH's emendations, that would be my list more or less too, with Sea Pictures decidedly getting a B.

[Harry]

By that logic, any music is as good as any other music. I don't believe that, and some composers have an annoying habit of writing music that is superior to others. I don't dispute anyone's liking any music they want, but if you can't perceive a qualitative difference between the cantatas of Bruhns and those of Bach, or the symphonies of Dittersdorf and those of Beethoven, then I have to question your powers of judgment.

Common Larry we had this discussion before, that is leading nowhere...
Whatever Poju can or cannot, that is not the issue.
Powers of judgement, wow, do you have them, or I, or Poju, and is that the absolute truth concerning judgement?
What goes for you or others, may be a different kettle of fish for me....

[Larry Rinkel]

Powers of judgement, wow, do you have them, or I, or Poju, and is that the absolute truth concerning judgement?

Well, I know you don't . . . .   

[Harry]

Well, I know you don't . . . .   

Well good for you, and to bad for me, not that it doesn't bother me.
Maybe you should sit on the right side then, so you may judge?

[johnQpublic]

Elgar is at least as good a composer as Dittersdorf, right?

No Elgar's better.

Ditters is the true poster child of mediocrity.

[Harry]

Ditters is the true poster child of mediocrity.

There are many that enjoy Dittersdorf, and the term mediocrity holds no meaning.
I love the music from Dittersdorf as much as Elgar's....
I simply do not compare. I like it so its good...for me....

[Larry Rinkel]

Well good for you, and to bad for me, not that it doesn't bother me.
Maybe you should sit on the right side then, so you may judge?

No. And for someone who claims he's not being interpreted correctly, you ought to make sure you're interpreting others correctly. My position is and always has been, as I've stated frequently on these forums, that the music that is most valuable is that which has stood the test of time because the collective judgment of generations of discriminating music lovers has so found it. It is not my personal opinion that matters at all in the matter, still less the opinion of "freethinkers" who parade their peculiar tastes as if they were gospel.

[Larry Rinkel]

There are many that enjoy Dittersdorf, and the term mediocrity holds no meaning.
I love the music from Dittersdorf as much as Elgar's....
I simply do not compare. I like it so its good...for me....

Precisely. Your stated policy is that you do not discriminate. Apparently no music is better than any other to you (except, it would seem, Mozart's operas, which you give away, and anything involving sopranos). A purely solipsistic approach.