Mozart

[karlhenning]

Yes the use of trumpets and drums in the Linz slow mvt is exquisite, and was later used in the same luminous fashion by Beethoven.

Unless of course one assumes these works were written by one and the same 3d rate composer we totally forgot about.

Loochey-, Loochey- . . . Loochey-something.

Did someone already mention the Haydn relationship?  How did Haydn suckered by Mozart, & who wrote Mozart's Haydn quartets?

given the time they spent together performing and discussing music, could Haydn not have smelled a rat?

There you have it:  Haydn and Mozart played Mozart's music together.  And in December of 1787, Haydn wrote in a letter:

If I could only impress on the soul of every friend of mine, and on high personages in particular, how inimitable are Mozart's works, how profound, how musically intelligent, how extraordinarily sensitive!

I wonder if Haydn had a comparable opinion of those 3rd-raters who have been proposed as the "true" composers of these inimitable, profound, musically intelligent & extraordinarily sensitive works, hmmm?

[Joe Barron]

I wonder if Haydn had a comparable opinion of those 3rd-raters who have been proposed as the "true" composers of these inimitable, profound, musically intelligent & extraordinarily sensitive works, hmmm?

You miss the point. At this stage, Haydn was already part of the conspiracy.

[karlhenning]

You miss the point. At this stage, Haydn was already part of the conspiracy.

Haydn never left Esterháza.  The "Haydn" in Vienna was a spy in the pay of The Grand Turk.

[Dr. Dread]

Haydn never left Esterháza.  The "Haydn" in Vienna was a spy in the pay of The Grand Turk.

Was he hidin'?

(oof)

[karlhenning]

Quite a bit of evidence has been presented to you. You've just chosen to ignore it.

Apparently you have no knowledge of the relevant primary and secondary sources: rather strange for a so-called Mozart scholar, no?

And by the way--you have still failed to present any evidence whatsoever of anything. And given that it's you who're making the controversial claims, it is *you* who needs to present evidence to show that you have any case whatsoever, not us.

Still no there there; it's all dog-&-pony show.

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Interesting (I thought) article on Der neue Köchel.

The solution in the three earlier editions of Köchel (1905, 1937, and 1964) avoided the latter of these inconveniences, but added another in its place: many works have two or even three numbers, as in the case of Mozart's Symphony No. 24, in B-flat major, which goes by K. 182, 166c, and 173dA.

Nice to read actual scholarship on the topic, for a change . . . .

[Herman]

Of course Todd could lock the notorious thread, if he wanted to...

[karlhenning]

Revisiting the 'Haydn' Quartets after a long absence.  The Ysaÿe are all I've really heard play these.  What recordings are your preferences, Herman?

[Gurn Blanston]

Of course Todd could lock the notorious thread, if he wanted to...

No, that wouldn't do at all, Herman. We are keeping things well-controlled by keeping it all right there. However, if people would merely read and run instead of stopping to bicker and argue, then the source of your irritation (or one of them, anyway) would soon sink away.

[ChamberNut]

Revisiting the 'Haydn' Quartets after a long absence.  The Ysaÿe are all I've really heard play these.  What recordings are your preferences, Herman?

I know you asked Herman, Karl.    But, I have the Alban Berg Quartet Teldec recording of these.     Excellent works!

[Gurn Blanston]

Still no there there; it's all dog-&-pony show.

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Interesting (I thought) article on Der neue Köchel.

Nice to read actual scholarship on the topic, for a change . . . .

By sheer coincidence, since I couldn't know that Newman would show up here when he did, I am reading Zaslaw's "Mozart's Symphonies" right now. As you say, there is considerable scholarship involved, and also a nice element of readability. I also have his "Compleat Mozart" which is simply indispensable for basic information about each work.

[karlhenning]

I know you asked Herman, Karl.    But, I have the Alban Berg Quartet Teldec recording of these.     Excellent works!

But you well know, I trust, Ray, that your input is most welcome!

[Opus106]

We are keeping things well-controlled by keeping it all right there. However, if people would merely read and run instead of stopping to bicker and argue, then the source of your irritation (or one of them, anyway) would soon sink away.

If the sane ones among us (that would be the Universal set - robenewman) stopped posting there, there wouldn't even be anything of worth to read. It would be a pretty fast death for the thread from then on. I just don't understand why it's being stretched to so many pages. 

[Herman]

I just don't understand why it's being stretched to so many pages. 

Because of the annoyance factor; and also because the perp is very deft: he's really anxious to bump 'his' thread to the top whenever he can (he clearly spends all day monitoring the topic  -  even when he announces he'll be off).

[Opus106]

How about ignoring him? It's certain that he's an attention seeker, then why bother replying to the posts? He'll be bored after a week or so and begin to look for some other board to unload all the trash. (All this stuff must be quite obvious to you...)

[karlhenning]

How about ignoring him?

Yes, Herman has been advocating just such a sane course of [in]action.

[Herman]

For a decade and more, the Haffner and Linz Symphonies have tended to blur together in my memory.  So, I'm taking advantage of the current spike in Mozart interest, to render them again as distinct entities.

I've always loved the Linz symphony,which really sounds like a big step forward after the Haffner.

[Dr. Dread]

Yes, Herman has been advocating just such a sane course of [in]action.

You can't stop all of the people from posting all of the time.

[karlhenning]

Apart from that, how was the play, Mr Lincoln?

[not edward]

I'm pretty much done with playing with Mr Newman. It's been a bit like playing with one's own food (or shooting fish in a barrel) and the entertainment value is rapidly tailing off.

I'd like to think that the last couple of reviews I posted might rattle his self-belief, but I'm quite sure that no amount of conclusive evidence can.

[Herman]

Re: Mozart's Haydn Quartets: as it happens both the Amadeus Qt's early sixties recording and the one by the Alban Berg Qt on Teldec were the first sets I owned on LP. When I purcheased the latter on cd much later I was a little over the ABQ. I still like the Amadeus.

The best recent one IMO is the Capriccio set by the Petersen Qt who also managed to put the three Prussian Qts one a single cd. On RCMR (I never get it right) lots f other people are quite excited about this one too, I found.