Started by mikkeljs, November 20, 2007, 04:44:56 AM
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Quote from: mikkeljs on November 20, 2007, 04:44:56 AMI found a recording of Scriabins last unfinished Preperation [sic] for the final Mystery realized by Nemtin. And I read in the cd booklet, that Scriabin believed in some kind of higher level of existence, and that he had serious thoughts about how his work should transform the human race of the performers and perhaps listeners. Do you believe in his idea?
Quote from: Sydney Grew on December 27, 2007, 03:36:09 AMCertainly we do. The point is that to a sensitive person the every-day world is chock-full of unexplained wonders. We are surrounded at every turn by mystery are we not? They are perhaps familiar mysteries but they are mysteries all the same. Unless we face up to them we are hardly alive..
Quote from: Corey on November 20, 2007, 03:30:57 PM. . . the worst aspects of the Aestheticism "movement" (in quotations because I don't think it can be called a movement per se). People tend to diminish Scriabin's art by citing his "decadent" personality, when they should really be able to appreciate his mastery despite this.
Quote from: Sydney Grew on December 27, 2007, 04:39:41 AMIt is encouraging to see some one writing about Scryabine's "mastery," but we cannot permit to stand unquestioned this passage, containing as it does no fewer than four quite disturbing misapprehensions:Permit us briefly to put forward for the elucidation of the more thoughtful Members a few appropriate refutations and corrections:1) since there are no bad aspects of Aestheticism it follows ipso facto that there cannot be any "worst aspects." Aestheticism was and is all good as far as we know! It is though possible to speak of its "best aspects." Some workers may indeed have done less well than others, and even fallen in some way short of their goal, but they all strove in the right direction did not they, and their productions must then all of them be to a greater or lesser extent good.2) the second misapprehension is that the "Aestheticism movement cannot be called a movement per se." Well that is simply an error of fact. The "Aesthetic movement" is a commonly accepted term and in the great Oxford English Dictionary it may be found cited several times (in the entry "aesthetic").3) the third misapprehension is that Scryabine was an aesthete. But he was not an aesthete at all; rather was he a sort of symbolist. And in fact as Jean Cassou tells us, "Scryabine is a composer of transition: whilst belonging to Symbolism through his philosophy of Art, his harmonic language, his use of Symbolist forms such as the Poem and the Prelude, he accomplished all the virtuosity of Symbolism and turned it round towards Modernity. Thus Scryabine like Debussy and even more like Schoenberg made Symbolism blossom by undermining its most revolutionary aspects." 4) the fourth and final misapprehension is that of Scryabine's "decadent personality." But in fact no man was less decadent than Alexander Scryabine! We cannot understood this use of the word decadence in respect of works which stand at the pinnacle of Art and Culture. It is since the death of Scryabine that music and culture in general have gone rapidly down hill. That decline is decadence with a vengeance; people no longer understand Scryabine's work and aims, or even attempt to understand them. Things to-day no longer hold together as they did in the days of his central supremacy, and in general so much which was known and celebrated in those days of glory has now been lost.
Quote from: The Six on January 10, 2008, 06:45:44 PMI said this on the old thread - Scriabin is rare in that he uses sounds which would normally be terrible dissonant in a way that makes them consonant. These strange sounds become strangley comforting. It's not often that a tritone can be pleasing and disturbing in the same piece.
Quote from: mikkeljs on January 18, 2008, 07:39:04 AMIs there other composers, that overtook Scriabins aesthetic?
Quote from: mikkeljs on April 18, 2008, 02:10:18 AMCould it be, that Scriabin wanted the Mysterium to be unfinished and made suicide after having written about an hour of music?
Quote from: mikkeljs on April 18, 2008, 02:10:18 AMI have thought about this hypothese: Could it be, that Scriabin wanted the Mysterium to be unfinished and made suicide after having written about an hour of music?
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 01, 2008, 03:37:03 PMHe didn't write anywhere near an hour of music. He left a dozen scattered pages, that's all. The rest was the invention of Nemtin.
Quote from: jowcol on December 26, 2008, 11:42:31 AMI know this thread hasn't been active in a while, but I can't resist weighing in. I'm a pretty big Scriabin fan. For those of you who want to get more of a handle on what a wonderfully whacked out character he was, I'd suggest looking up a copy of Faubion Bowers' biography of Scriabin.................Okay-- consider the Scriabin thread bumped.
Quote from: TheOverman on January 05, 2009, 08:29:28 PMFor Christmas I received Scriabin's Preludes, Vol. 1 with Evgeny Zarafiants on piano (Naxos). I thouroughly enjoyed them, and wished to check out more - so I borrowed a CD from my brother. It is a Decca two CD set of the 3 Symphonies & Le Poeme de l'extase conducted by Asheknazy. The orchestral pieces seem much more difficult for me to get a grasp of.Any suggestions? Perhaps I should check out the piano sonatas, not quite sure where to start.Thanks.
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