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Mandryka



Contains a piece based on recently discovered fragments and sketches of an incomplete  multi media work. Booklet here

https://static.qobuz.com/goodies/29/000152292.pdf




Contains a transcription for string quartet of piano sonata 9. Booklet here

https://static.qobuz.com/goodies/27/000149272.pdf



I don't know who wrote these transcriptions but I can say this: the one of Symphony 5 sounds like it was written by someone capable.


Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on March 27, 2023, 11:53:41 PMhttps://static.qobuz.com/goodies/27/000149272.pdf



I don't know who wrote these transcriptions but I can say this: the one of Symphony 5 sounds like it was written by someone capable.





Fun disc!

Arrangers:

SY1 Alexander Winkler
SY2 Vasily Kalafati
SY3 and 4 Leon Konus
SY5 Leonid Sabaneev
Reverie Alexander Winkler

Luke

Sabaneev is a good composer in his own right, a close associate of Sctiabin's and very much of his school. If you are addicted to Scriabin, need another hit, and have exhausted all the genuine stuff, he's a good quality imitation.

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Symphony 5 Prometheus: Piano Transcription for 7 pianos. 49-Track Overdub.
Transcribed and Performed by Chitose Okashiro.

Dark and enigmatic music. Nice and interesting work. Also I think that the music is more abstract than the symphony. I like it. I'm glad that Okashiro had this idea and materialized it.
Comment from Okashiro is below:

https://www.chateaumusicllc.com/english/prometheus-2/



Mandryka

I really like her two piano transcription of the Poem of Ecstasy, so much so that I've ordered the Prometheus transcription. I think she's an outstanding, sensual,  musician.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on April 01, 2023, 07:54:22 PMI really like her two piano transcription of the Poem of Ecstasy, so much so that I've ordered the Prometheus transcription. I think she's an outstanding, sensual,  musician.

I'm looking forward to reading your opinion.

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on March 27, 2023, 11:53:41 PM

Contains a piece based on recently discovered fragments and sketches of an incomplete  multi media work. Booklet here

https://static.qobuz.com/goodies/29/000152292.pdf



Nice performance with good rhythm and dexterity. The tone is a little hard.

Mandryka

#307
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on April 02, 2023, 03:17:06 PMI'm looking forward to reading your opinion.

There's an idea in music, which basically says that a piece of music can be understood as a preordered sequence of sonic environments for the listener to explore. Listening to a piece of music is a bit like going for a stroll - now you're on the city streets, now in a park,  now by the riverside, now in the shops etc. How you feel will change accordingly and the whole point of the music is like the point of the stroll - just relish the encounters.

Sorry to be so pretentious creative. But that's what I thought listening to her Prometheus transcription.


Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Mandryka

Quote from: Mandryka on April 09, 2023, 07:58:26 AMThere's an idea in music, which basically says that a piece of music can be understood as a preordered sequence of sonic environments for the listener to explore. Listening to a piece of music is a bit like going for a stroll - now you're on the city streets, now in a park,  now by the riverside, now in the shops etc. How you feel will change accordingly and the whole point of the music is like the point of the stroll - just relish the encounters.

Sorry to be so pretentious creative. But that's what I thought listening to her Prometheus transcription.




The shorter pieces on Okashiro's new CD are the cat's whiskers. 
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on April 12, 2023, 03:18:57 AMThe shorter pieces on Okashiro's new CD are the cat's whiskers. 

Nice performance, but the compositions are too esoteric/avant-garde for my personal preference. Strangely I like her Symphony 5. Despite of the 7 pianos, the sound is not very thick and there is a nice space.
I will revisit her Poem of Ecstasy this week.

Mandryka

Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on April 12, 2023, 10:05:34 AMNice performance, but the compositions are too esoteric/avant-garde for my personal preference.

But you're Ok with the later sonatas and vers la flamme aren't you?
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on April 12, 2023, 01:04:27 PMBut you're Ok with the later sonatas and vers la flamme aren't you?

No. Not crazy about Sonatas after 7.

Mandryka

#312
Some people would say that Tristan Murail's music is part of a programme of piano research which started with late Liszt, and then moved on through Debussy, Scriabin and Messiaen. This piece, The Mandrake, has the Scriabin vibe IMO

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AtwlXwPIa9s
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on April 12, 2023, 07:12:52 PMSome people would say that Tristan Murail's music is part of a programme of piano research which started with late Liszt, and then moved on through Debussy, Scriabin and Messiaen. This piece, The Mandrake, has the Scriabin vibe IMO

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AtwlXwPIa9s

Yes I hear an influence of Scriabin. Maybe Ravel too.

Mandryka

Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on April 12, 2023, 01:18:38 PMNo. Not crazy about Sonatas after 7.

Someone recommended Evelyne Dubourg's Scriabin on another forum and I've just started listening to it, I've begun with sonata 9. I said to myself that she's making the later sonatas sound like the earlier music!  There's an emphasis on beauty of sound, delicacy and melody, the spikiness and "épater la bourgoisie" side has been eliminated. It may be what you need! It's streaming everywhere.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Scriabin-Piano-Sonatas-Evelyne-Dubourg/dp/B01AXMKUAY
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on April 15, 2023, 04:45:59 AMSomeone recommended Evelyne Dubourg's Scriabin on another forum and I've just started listening to it, I've begun with sonata 9. I said to myself that she's making the later sonatas sound like the earlier music!  There's an emphasis on beauty of sound, delicacy and melody, the spikiness and "épater la bourgoisie" side has been eliminated. It may be what you need! It's streaming everywhere.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Scriabin-Piano-Sonatas-Evelyne-Dubourg/dp/B01AXMKUAY


Her touch and rhythm are not for me. I like the way Zhukov 2 plays late Sonatas.

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

#316
Etrangeté - Gábor Csalog. Nice album. Sensitive performance with delicate touch and nice timing.  I think Fukuma's disc was released today. I listened to the Scriabin pieces once. Nice execution and good playing, but I didn't find significant ideas or unique aestheticism.











Cato

Quote from: Mandryka on April 15, 2023, 04:45:59 AMSomeone recommended Evelyne Dubourg's Scriabin on another forum and I've just started listening to it, I've begun with sonata 9. I said to myself that she's making the later sonatas sound like the earlier music!  There's an emphasis on beauty of sound, delicacy and melody, the spikiness and "épater la bourgoisie" side has been eliminated. It may be what you need! It's streaming everywhere.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Scriabin-Piano-Sonatas-Evelyne-Dubourg/dp/B01AXMKUAY


You remind me of a story related by Nicolas Nabokov about Prokofiev and Rachmaninoff: the latter had played some of Scriabin's works at a memorial and benefit concert for Scriabin's widow, and there were complaints that Rachmaninoff had played the later works as if they were Russian folk pieces, with none of the ecstatic mysticism the Scriabin fans were expecting.

So Prokofiev - a generation younger almost and still a conservatory student - goes up to Rachmaninoff and says something like: "Don't worry: I thought your performance wasn't bad at all!"

Rachmaninoff says: "What do you mean, 'not bad'?" and walks away insulted.

Apparently the insult was not lasting, as Nabokov says the two composers met some years later on an ocean liner and played chess.   :D
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Mandryka

#318
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYwDXk0vvA&ab_channel=ADGO

That's Elena Richter (who she? There's a comment in the youtube saying she studied with Neuhaus.) I really like the way she uses resonances in the later sonatas.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on May 01, 2023, 04:23:30 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYwDXk0vvA&ab_channel=ADGO

That's Elena Richter (who she? There's a comment in the youtube saying she studied with Neuhaus.) I really like the way she uses resonances in the later sonatas.


I have seen the video a few times. I think she's not related to Sviatoslav Richter.

http://www.classic2piano.com/bio/e_richter.htm