What Muti?

Started by dirkronk, July 11, 2008, 11:14:44 AM

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dirkronk

I'm going through my CD listings and notice that I have exceedingly few recordings by a few conductors who--perhaps--should be much better represented. And I will ask you folks to educate me in what specific recordings (say, your top 5, if you want a number to shoot for) can make me into a true fan of said conductor. Or, if you think I'd be better off staying away, it will give you a chance to say why.

Let's start with Muti. I see that I have literally one (count them, 1!) CD, of Ponchielli/Catalani/Puccini pieces on the Sony label. I can recall perhaps a handful of items conducted by Muti that I have owned on LP. Other than this, I have zero experience. So what should I listen to? Make me a believer!
;D

Dirk

karlhenning

Muti leading the Phila Orchestra in Berlioz's Roméo et Juliette, Opus 17

The Schumann Symphonies with the Philharmonia Orchestra

Stravinsky's Le sacre du printemps, again with the Phila Orchestra

Prokofiev's Symphony No. 3 (after The Fiery Angel), again with the Phila Orchestra

Todd

Scriabin - Symphonies
Verdi - Aida (EMI), Otello (TDK) and Falstaff (EuroArts)
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Tsaraslondon

I don't think it's available anymore, but a DVD of La Traviata with Tiziana Fabbricini and Roberto Alagna.

An excellent CD of works by Busoni, Casella and Martucci (not sure that's available either).



\"A beautiful voice is not enough.\" Maria Callas

knight66

He produced one of the very best sets of the Verdi Four Sacred Pieces, excellent singing and he shapes them with sensitivity and drama. He produced a well thought of Macbeth, but to me it comes behind Abbado in terms of modern recordings.

Mike
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Quote from: karlhenning on July 11, 2008, 11:25:55 AM
The Schumann Symphonies with the Philharmonia Orchestra

Better: his later remake with the WP on Philips. Better played, better recorded, much clearer musical vision, one of the few Muti albums I would recomment.

Quote from: karlhenning on July 11, 2008, 11:25:55 AM
Stravinsky's Le sacre du printemps, again with the Phila Orchestra

This is one of the few others. Still one of my favorite versions of "Le Sacre".

Quote from: karlhenning on July 11, 2008, 11:25:55 AM
Prokofiev's Symphony No. 3 (after The Fiery Angel), again with the Phila Orchestra

I have a little hard time imagining that because I know his solid, but undistinguished and rather routine recording of Prokofieff 5.

val

I prefer Muti as an opera conductor.
A very good version of Verdi's Nabucco, Attila and Macbeth and Donizetti's Don Pasquale.

I also like his version of Tchaikovsky's Manfred.

knight66

The Rossini Stabat Mater is another success, full of colour and drama.

Mike
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I wasted time: and time wasted me.

karlhenning

Quote from: M forever on July 11, 2008, 05:19:46 PM
Better: his later remake with the WP on Philips. Better played, better recorded, much clearer musical vision, one of the few Muti albums I would recomment.

Thanks for the suggestion, M!

Say, have you been around at all, or you just doing the workaholic thing?

karlhenning

Quote from: knight on July 11, 2008, 01:58:43 PM
He produced one of the very best sets of the Verdi Four Sacred Pieces, excellent singing and he shapes them with sensitivity and drama.

Good to know, thanks, Mike!

johnQpublic

Quote from: dirkronk on July 11, 2008, 11:14:44 AMI see that I have literally one   CD, of Ponchielli/Catalani/Puccini pieces on the Sony label.

I have that one too. Picked it up in a Mom & Pop used CD store cheap.

I feel that my best Muti is his 2-volume set of Verdi Overtures & Preludes he did for Sony with the La Scala Orchestra.

Moldyoldie

There's only one Muti recording I can recommend unequivocally -- his Respighi Pines of Rome, Fountains of Rome, and Feste Romane from Philadelphia on EMI.  I don't know if it's readily available, however.

I'll also second the suggestion of Muti's Schumann symphonies cycle from Vienna on Philips -- surprisingly convincing!
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mahler10th

Scriabin Symphonies - he brings something to them I have not heard anywhere else.  Magic.  Wish Scriabin was heard more often.

J.Z. Herrenberg

Quote from: mahler10th on July 13, 2008, 01:12:39 AM
Scriabin Symphonies - he brings something to them I have not heard anywhere else.  Magic.  Wish Scriabin was heard more often.

Seconded (both the recommendation and the wish).
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

dirkronk

I'm popping back into this thread to say "thank you" here, too, to all who've posted. I take special note of the Scriabin symphonies, since I have only older recordings, mainly by Russian conductors in this category. I once owned Inbal's set of Scriabin symphonies on Philips LP, which was treated like critical gold when it first appeared; I don't know if it was the interps or that perhaps I simply wasn't yet ready to appreciate the music, but I reacted at the time with a resounding "meh." I'll look for the Muti set.

Thanks again...and keep the recs a-comin'.
:D

Dirk

jwinter

I don't have too much Muti on my shelves, but I'll support the recs for Scriabin and Rite of Spring -- I still think overall it's the best Sacre I've heard, and I got it for 5 bucks.  Very energetic, forceful reading, well-recorded.

I've also enjoyed his Tchaikovsky symphony set, which Brilliant re-released a while back.  Some of the later symphonies are a little tame IMO, but he really shines in some of the earlier & smaller pieces, and his Manfred is excellent.

I've heard some of his Beethoven cycle, and have been pleased, but not enough so to hunt down the whole set.  I would strongly recommend a great bargain coupling of 7 & 8, his 7 is quite lively, if a bit sloppy in the strings at points (surprising for Philadelphia).  I also enjoyed his Pastorale quite a bit.
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

-- William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

J.Z. Herrenberg

Quote from: jwinter on July 22, 2008, 12:52:10 PM
I've also enjoyed his Tchaikovsky symphony set, which Brilliant re-released a while back.  Some of the later symphonies are a little tame IMO, but he really shines in some of the earlier & smaller pieces, and his Manfred is excellent.

Yes, I had forgotten about that set. The Third Symphony, to me, was a revelation. Marvellous work - very cogent, no surplus fat.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

jwinter

Rummaging through my iPod, I'm reminded of Muti's Verdi Requiem -- it's my favorite for that work, although I've only heard a couple of others.  A very high octane reading, if you get my meaning...
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

-- William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

Tsaraslondon

Quote from: jwinter on July 23, 2008, 05:31:14 PM
Rummaging through my iPod, I'm reminded of Muti's Verdi Requiem -- it's my favorite for that work, although I've only heard a couple of others.  A very high octane reading, if you get my meaning...

Which one are you refering to? He recorded it twice.

http://www.amazon.com/Verdi-Requiem-Mass-Cherubini-minor/dp/B0002Z83M0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1216887622&sr=1-1

and

http://www.amazon.com/Verdi-Requiem-Studer-Zajick-Pavarotti/dp/B000002RQ7/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1216887622&sr=1-2

I don't know the one with Pavarotti, but did own the earlier on LP, an intensely dramatic, if somewhat hard driven performance. Baltsa is the best of the soloists. Scotto is pushed to the limits of her abilities (and sometimes beyond them), but makes more sense of the soprano part than almost anyone.



\"A beautiful voice is not enough.\" Maria Callas

jwinter

I meant the one you have, coupled with the Cherubini.  :)  And I'd agree with your assessment, intense & hard-driven.
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

-- William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice