Chopin

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Holden

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Quote from: hvbias on March 03, 2020, 03:11:41 PM
Is Michelangeli in the 2nd piano sonata the one on BBC or something else?

London 1959 is the recorded date and this matches up with a BBC Legends CD I looked up on line. My recording is now oop I believe. It's Music&Arts CD #955.
Cheers

Holden

staxomega

Quote from: Holden on March 03, 2020, 06:19:49 PM
London 1959 is the recorded date and this matches up with a BBC Legends CD I looked up on line. My recording is now oop I believe. It's Music&Arts CD #955.

Yeah I have the BBC disc, I was wondering if there was another great one. He certainly had an on day then, really a best of Michelangeli hits with great legato and tonal color. No pounding on the keyboard in the Funeral March that ruins so many otherwise great performances.

Mandryka

Quote from: hvbias on March 03, 2020, 06:44:34 PM
Yeah I have the BBC disc, I was wondering if there was another great one.

There is

Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darĂ¼ber muss man schweigen

Mandryka

#383
By the way, one Chopin recording I've been listening to  is this


Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darĂ¼ber muss man schweigen

vandermolen

Having watched the film 'In Search of Chopin' I ordered this CD. My first by Chopin:
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vers la flamme

Quote from: vandermolen on March 03, 2020, 10:12:06 PM
Having watched the film 'In Search of Chopin' I ordered this CD. My first by Chopin:


Wow, I'm surprised you have no Chopin in your collection after however many years of listening. You can't go wrong with Rubinstein, that should be a great introduction.

Florestan

Quote from: vers la flamme on March 04, 2020, 02:53:23 AM
Wow, I'm surprised you have no Chopin in your collection after however many years of listening. You can't go wrong with Rubinstein, that should be a great introduction.

+1 on both.
"Ja, sehr komisch, hahaha,
ist die Sache, hahaha,
drum verzeihn Sie, hahaha,
wenn ich lache, hahaha! "

Papy Oli

That's what happens when he only accumulates CDs of second rate British composers (and 3rd, and 4th and and 5th...)  >:D :laugh:  :P

TD: I quite like Rubinstein in the Mazurkas  0:)
Olivier

vers la flamme

Quote from: Papy Oli on March 04, 2020, 03:02:50 AM
That's what happens when he only accumulates CDs of second rate British composers (and 3rd, and 4th and and 5th...)  >:D :laugh:  :P

TD: I quite like Rubinstein in the Mazurkas  0:)

I hate to say it, but you seem to be heading down that dark path as well, Oli!  :P

vandermolen

Hahaha I've enjoyed these last few posts.
I also have a large collection of music by second-rate Russian, American and Scandinavian composers.
:-)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Florestan

Quote from: vandermolen on March 04, 2020, 06:14:51 AM
Hahaha I've enjoyed these last few posts.
I also have a large collection of music by second-rate Russian, American and Scandinavian composers.
:-)

So Chopin is your first encounter with a first-rate composer. Excellent choice!  :D
"Ja, sehr komisch, hahaha,
ist die Sache, hahaha,
drum verzeihn Sie, hahaha,
wenn ich lache, hahaha! "

Papy Oli

Quote from: vers la flamme on March 04, 2020, 05:47:58 AM
I hate to say it, but you seem to be heading down that dark path as well, Oli!  :P

Not as badly but you might have a point  0:)

TD: I love Moravec in the Nocturnes and Michelangeli in the 1st ballade  ;D
Olivier

vandermolen

#392
Quote from: Florestan on March 04, 2020, 06:19:47 AM
So Chopin is your first encounter with a first-rate composer. Excellent choice!  :D
Absolutely Andrei!
I guess that most of the music I enjoy listening to comes from the later 19th Century and beyond and Chopin has hitherto, despite recognising his importance, not really appealed to me. I know that, for some of you, is probably a terrible thing to admit but it is true. I may have some more Chopin in my collection, probably on a BBC Music Magazine freebie. I look forward to receiving the Rubinstein. Also, it's only in recent years that I've listened more to solo piano music. Interestingly, the art of the period, such as the paintings by Chopin's friend Delacroix appeals to me much more. I love his portrait of Chopin:
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Florestan

Quote from: vandermolen on March 04, 2020, 06:35:11 AM
Absolutely Andrei!
I guess that most of the music I enjoy listening to comes from the later 19th Century and beyond and Chopin has hitherto, despite recognising his importance, not really appealed to me. I know that, for some of you, is probably a terrible thing to admit but it is true. I may have some more Chopin in my collection, probably on a BBC Music Magazine freebie. I look forward to receiving the Rubinstein. Also, it's only in recent years that I've listened more to solo piano music.

My impression is that your listening time is devoted 99% to orchestral and symphonic music. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but when listening to Chopin you must put aside any expectations that kind of music might have created in you.
"Ja, sehr komisch, hahaha,
ist die Sache, hahaha,
drum verzeihn Sie, hahaha,
wenn ich lache, hahaha! "

vandermolen

#394
Quote from: Florestan on March 04, 2020, 06:39:39 AM
My impression is that your listening time is devoted 99% to orchestral and symphonic music. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but when listening to Chopin you must put aside any expectations that kind of music might have created in you.
Another good point. Chamber music has appealed to me more as I've got older. Probably now about 90% orchestral listening and also some non-classical (how many others here have attended a Monkees concert?) but maybe you are right.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

staxomega

#395
Quote from: Mandryka on March 03, 2020, 07:43:08 PM
There is



Will check it out thanks.

Quote from: vandermolen on March 04, 2020, 06:43:20 AM
Another good point. Chamber music has appealed to me more as I've got older. Probably now about 90% orchestral listening and also some non-classical (how many others here have attended a Monkees concert?) but maybe you are right.

The second piano sonata may be a closer approximation of orchestral music, particularly by pianists that really play up the dynamics. I can't recall much about the Rubinstein disc you're getting, hopefully you enjoy it!

vandermolen

Quote from: hvbias on March 04, 2020, 06:53:23 AM
Will check it out thanks.

The second piano sonata may be a closer approximation of orchestral music, particularly by pianists that really play up the dynamics. I can't recall much about the Rubinstein disc you're getting, hopefully you enjoy it!
I'm sure I will. Thanks. In the film I was especially impressed by the extracts they played of the second sonata, including that famous funeral march and also the finale which sounded almost atonal.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#397
Quote from: hvbias on March 04, 2020, 06:53:23 AM
Will check it out thanks.

The second piano sonata may be a closer approximation of orchestral music, particularly by pianists that really play up the dynamics. I can't recall much about the Rubinstein disc you're getting, hopefully you enjoy it!
I'm enjoying it very much thank you with, added appreciation knowing more about him now.

Not my normal cup of tea of course, as my musical tastes tend to be orchestral music from the late 19th Century onwards. Having said that I like Schubert's Unfinished Symphony and the music of Tallis and Byrd from the Tudor period as well some Beethoven. Anyway this makes a pleasant change from all those 'second rate' orchestral composers whose music I normally listen to. I'm now listening to the Piano Sonata No.2 for the second time through!
8)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

staxomega

Quote from: vandermolen on March 07, 2020, 02:04:24 AM
I'm enjoying it very much thank you with, added appreciation knowing more about him now.

Not my normal cup of tea of course, as my musical tastes tend to be orchestral music from the late 19th Century onwards. Having said that I like Schubert's Unfinished Symphony and the music of Tallis and Byrd from the Tudor period as well some Beethoven. Anyway this makes a pleasant change from all those 'second rate' orchestral composers whose music I normally listen to. I'm now listening to the Piano Sonata No.2 for the second time through!
8)

Chopin wrote some piano concerti as well, the first two are nice pieces with no cadenzas.

vandermolen

Quote from: hvbias on March 07, 2020, 06:59:22 AM
Chopin wrote some piano concerti as well, the first two are nice pieces with no cadenzas.
Oh, thank you. I heard extracts from them on the documentary I saw. One of them especially impressed me.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).