Are non HIP recordings ever made any more?

[Guido]

Apart from recordings of Bach's solo works.

[Que]

Apart from recordings of Bach's solo works.

It's for all to see that new non-HIP recordings are rapidly going out of fashion for some particular musical periods. For baroque with the exeption of keyboard music, I think, and indeed other Bach solo works (violin, cello). Anything pre-baroque in a non-HIP performance is already close to unthinkable!

For the Classical period the picture is mixed: in Haydn non-HIP is loosing ground considerably, it's still holding on to Mozart and Beethoven. I suspect that Haydn and Mozart will become totaly HIPified soon, but we will always have new non-HIP LvB performances and of later composers.

Q

[karlhenning]

I suspect that Haydn and Mozart will become totaly HIPified soon

That's the trend, though I don't know if that point will be reached.  The BSO performance of the Haydn Symphony No. 104 a couple of weeks ago was NEHIP (Not Exactly Historically Informed Performance)  0:)

[Que]

NEHIP (Not Exactly Historically Informed Performance)  0:)

Brilliant! 

Q

[david johnson]

go nehip.
the dead composers won't care.  they just want the music played.

dj

[Dancing Divertimentian]

Apart from recordings of Bach's solo works.

It'll never happen as far as live performances go. I mean, the Staatskapelle Dresden never touching e.g. Bach again because they're a "traditional" orchestra? Not gonna happen.

Now, whether or not any of these Big Tent orchestras record Bach et al again is another matter. But concerts undoubtedly will go on...

[Dancing Divertimentian]

I suspect that...Mozart will become totaly HIPified soon...

I sincerely hope not.

I admit I'm no fan of Big Tent Mozart but Tiny Tent Mozart makes no impact either. I'll take Middle Tent Mozart if you please.

[longears]

You betcha! 

[FideLeo]

Made?  There are certainly enough of them to be recycled, oops reissued, for a long time to come. 

[MISHUGINA]

HIP is a fad that will be outdated.

I believe in variety of styles and interpretation. For choral works, I'd prefer big band Teutonic style ala Klemperer while for Baroque period pieces I'd prefer 100% authentic HIP. As for Beethoven, I believed he would've scoffed at the HIP movement since his works are so radical and progressive.

[Hector]

In respect of "cleaned-up" editions of familiar works?

Probably not.

[Expresso]

For early music and baroque i think HIP is the only way and will probably be the standard for the years to come.
As for classical i think HIP and "non HIP" versions have very few differences.

[karlhenning]

I admit I'm no fan of Big Tent Mozart but Tiny Tent Mozart makes no impact either. I'll take Middle Tent Mozart if you please.

Is this a Divertimentian speaking? 

[Dancing Divertimentian]

Is this a Divertimentian speaking? 

Deviants walk among the ranks...

[Harry Collier]

Well, I've just bought the new recording of Colin Davis and the LSO in Handel's Messiah. So there is at least one survivor, thank goodness.

[Don]

Well, I've just bought the new recording of Colin Davis and the LSO in Handel's Messiah. So there is at least one survivor, thank goodness.

The Davis would be much better if he conducted a period instrument band.

[PSmith08]

Thielemann's recent Mozart Requiem with the Münchner Philharmoniker claimed to take some historical information, but it sounded, all told, pretty pre-HIP.

[Harry Collier]

The Davis would be much better if he conducted a period instrument band.

Oh my God; you sound like the BBC Music Magazine! "Musical correctness" and current fashion will ruin musical performance of pre- 1830 (1930?) music -- at least for the next 10 years or the current fashion has past. Listen, as Handel or Bach, or Purcell, or Mozart, did, to what SOUNDS good. They rarely, if ever, wrote with particular musical timbres in mind. I like orchestras that play in tune, and warmly, and with affection, and with intelligence, and together, and with letting me hear all the parts, and with rhythmic agreement. Not many period instrument bands do this (particularly being able to play in tune). But then, someone here will say, Bach or Purcell didn't EXPECT their bands to play in tune, or agreeably! They may not have expected it ("the bloody trumpeter has a hangover again; I'll use the oboe instead") but they knew that they wanted their music to sound good.

[MishaK]

Thielemann's recent Mozart Requiem with the Münchner Philharmoniker claimed to take some historical information, but it sounded, all told, pretty pre-HIP.

So it was HUMP (Historically Uninformed or Misinformed Performance)?

[Don]

Oh my God; you sound like the BBC Music Magazine! "Musical correctness" and current fashion will ruin musical performance of pre- 1830 (1930?) music -- at least for the next 10 years or the current fashion has past. Listen, as Handel or Bach, or Purcell, or Mozart, did, to what SOUNDS good. They rarely, if ever, wrote with particular musical timbres in mind. I like orchestras that play in tune, and warmly, and with affection, and with intelligence, and together, and with letting me hear all the parts, and with rhythmic agreement. Not many period instrument bands do this (particularly being able to play in tune). But then, someone here will say, Bach or Purcell didn't EXPECT their bands to play in tune, or agreeably! They may not have expected it ("the bloody trumpeter has a hangover again; I'll use the oboe instead") but they knew that they wanted their music to sound good.

I don't give a damn about "musical correctness" - only interested in performances that bring out the best in the music.  From my perspective, baroque orchestral works on modern instruments sound LOUSY.  Obviously, you think otherwise.  I respect your right to like what you want, but I don't respect your assumption that period bands don't have much ability.  In that respect, you don't know what you're talking about.