Bands v orchestras?

Started by Demonic Clarinet, November 27, 2007, 08:22:28 PM

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Demonic Clarinet

So we all know the vast, vast majority of what is discussed on this site is orchestral music. I was wondering, though.

What do you all think of wind bands? They're pretty rare compared to orchestras (and most of the first concert band music was transposed from orchestra music). However, some concert band music is pretty awesome and, in my opinion, winds can do basically anything strings can do, better.

Don

Quote from: Demonic Clarinet on November 27, 2007, 08:22:28 PM
So we all know the vast, vast majority of what is discussed on this site is orchestral music. I was wondering, though.

What do you all think of wind bands? They're pretty rare compared to orchestras (and most of the first concert band music was transposed from orchestra music). However, some concert band music is pretty awesome and, in my opinion, winds can do basically anything strings can do, better.

And I was under the stupid impression that different instruments exist because they do different things. ::)

MISHUGINA

Quote from: Demonic Clarinet on November 27, 2007, 08:22:28 PM
So we all know the vast, vast majority of what is discussed on this site is orchestral music. I was wondering, though.

What do you all think of wind bands? They're pretty rare compared to orchestras (and most of the first concert band music was transposed from orchestra music). However, some concert band music is pretty awesome and, in my opinion, winds can do basically anything strings can do, better.

Care to elaborate?

Florestan

Quote from: Demonic Clarinet on November 27, 2007, 08:22:28 PM
in my opinion, winds can do basically anything strings can do, better.

They can't do pizzicato, neither col legno:)
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karlhenning

Though I must admit there are things a demonic clarinet can do, of which no stringed instrument is capable  8)

mahlertitan

a piano can do almost anything, who needs winds if you got a piano?

karlhenning

Quote from: GBJGZW on November 28, 2007, 09:24:12 AM
a piano can do almost anything

Good luck with sustained tones . . . .

mahlertitan

Quote from: karlhenning on November 28, 2007, 12:19:33 PM
Good luck with sustained tones . . . .

"almost", but that's what the pedals are for? right?

karlhenning

Quote from: GBJGZW on November 28, 2007, 12:25:24 PM
"almost", but that's what the pedals are for? right?

Good luck with crescendo on sustained tones  ;)

PaulR

Quote from: karlhenning on November 28, 2007, 12:27:34 PM
Good luck with crescendo on sustained tones  ;)
Get an electric piano and turn the volume up......

never mind.....

jochanaan

It's really sad that so few great composers have chosen to write for band--but there are some very fine works from noted composers, and some good stuff from others who specialize in concert band music.  Here are a few of my favorites:

Felix Mendelssohn: Overture in C (I suspect this requires some transcribing for a modern band)
Gustav Holst: Suites #1 and #2
Vincent Persichetti: Symphony #6
Alan Hovhaness: Symphony #23 "Ani"
John Barnes Chance: Incantation and Dance; Blue Lake Overture; Variations on a Korean Folk Song

And Mozart's Gran Partita, K361, uses enough diverse winds to be almost a proto-band work. 8)
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Sownman

Quote from: jochanaan on November 28, 2007, 12:58:29 PM


And Mozart's Gran Partita, K361, uses enough diverse winds to be almost a proto-band work. 8)

What about Mozart's Wind Serenades ? They're wonderful.

Steve

12tone.

Winds are good, but I like brass.  Brass quintets to brass orchestra.  Wow! 

Any chamber pieces for brass or maybe something orchestral for brass?

PerfectWagnerite

Quote from: jochanaan on November 28, 2007, 12:58:29 PM
It's really sad that so few great composers have chosen to write for band--
And my favorite: Copland's An Outdoor Overture.

johnQpublic

Quote from: 12tone. on November 28, 2007, 04:05:46 PM
Winds are good, but I like brass.  Brass quintets to brass orchestra.  Wow! 

Any chamber pieces for brass or maybe something orchestral for brass?

I have both the LP recording and score of "Pictures at an Exhibition" scored for large brass ensemble and percussion!!!

karlhenning

Quote from: jochanaan on November 28, 2007, 12:58:29 PM
Felix Mendelssohn: Overture in C (I suspect this requires some transcribing for a modern band)
Gustav Holst: Suites #1 and #2
Vincent Persichetti: Symphony #6
Alan Hovhaness: Symphony #23 "Ani"
John Barnes Chance: Incantation and Dance; Blue Lake Overture; Variations on a Korean Folk Song

And Mozart's Gran Partita, K361, uses enough diverse winds to be almost a proto-band work. 8)

What, no Hindemith Symphony in B-Flat for Band8)

karlhenning

Quote from: 12tone. on November 28, 2007, 04:05:46 PM
Any chamber pieces for brass or maybe something orchestral for brass?

What you want, lad, is the Hindemith Konzertmusik for brass and strings, Opus 50.  Run to that library!

Demonic Clarinet

QuoteGustav Holst: Suites #1 and #2

I have heard these and yes, they are awesome. I will look out for those others, though, thanks.

QuoteCare to elaborate?

I'm not sure-I just never really liked strings, I've always felt as though a wind band playing something always sounded better than an orchestra playing something similar. The strings just don't sound full enough in my opinion.
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Winds are good, but I like brass.  Brass quintets to brass orchestra.  Wow!

Any chamber pieces for brass or maybe something orchestral for brass?

Brass is a type of wind instrument...

Bonehelm

Quote from: Demonic Clarinet on November 28, 2007, 07:12:44 PM
I have heard these and yes, they are awesome. I will look out for those others, though, thanks.

I'm not sure-I just never really liked strings, I've always felt as though a wind band playing something always sounded better than an orchestra playing something similar. The strings just don't sound full enough in my opinion.
Brass is a type of wind instrument...


::)

Either your equipment is overdated and weak, or you haven't heard an orchestra that has string players at a level higher than elementary school...