The Worst First!

[71 dB]

If people not having a high opinion of the Elgar First is going to enrage you, you must prepare yourself for frequent enragement.

I have tried 10 years to improve Elgar's esteem on this planet and seeing I have gained nothing is most frustrating. I feel I live for nothing.

Anyway, I know I am right about Elgar so I keep trying...

[springrite]

Well, we all have our tastes...

I can't believe this. This must be a first. I wonder if it is original or copy and paste...

[BachQ]

Finally support! Thanks Mark G. Simon! 

[karlhenning]

Those who understand Elgar know the 2nd is even better than the first.

There, you see? I understand Elgar, too.

[karlhenning]

Anyway, I know I am right about Elgar so I keep trying...

No, no, in many ways, you are profoundly mistaken about Elgar.  You don't "know" what you think you "know."

[Kullervo]

Has anyone even heard Haydn's First? It is tempting to dismiss it as something only a completist would seek out, but I haven't heard it.

[karlhenning]

Has anyone even heard Haydn's First? It is tempting to dismiss it as something only a completist would seek out, but I haven't heard it.

Gurn has, certainly.

I've got it at home, but I haven't acted yet on the curiosity . . . .

[71 dB]

No, no, in many ways, you are profoundly mistaken about Elgar.  You don't "know" what you think you "know."

Who are you to say what I know? Elgar is my favorite composer! It means I have spend a lot of time and effort to understand him and his music. Just because I don't repeat the general mantras of music does not mean I don't understand or know anything.

There are things I really know next to nothing (e.g. hunting). Have you seen me writing on hunting forums?

[ChamberNut]

What about Schubert's First Symphony?  I haven't heard it, but am curious as to what others think about it.  I only have his 8th and 9th.

I like Dvorak's 1st Symphony. It's not getting a lot of love on here.  I'll agree it's nowhere near the quality of Symphonies 6-9.

[71 dB]

Has anyone even heard Haydn's First? It is tempting to dismiss it as something only a completist would seek out, but I haven't heard it.

Haydn's early symphonies are nice. 

[springrite]

What about Schubert's First Symphony?  I haven't heard it, but am curious as to what others think about it.  I only have his 8th and 9th.

The Schubert 1st is actually surprisingly good, with a couple of possibly unconcious semi figure quotations of Beethoven. Not as good as the 8 and 9 or the little c, but a good symphony overall, not just for a first effort.

[BachQ]

Has anyone even heard Haydn's First? It is tempting to dismiss it as something only a completist would seek out, but I haven't heard it.

IIRC, DavidW was/is very fond of Haydn's First ........

[Mark G. Simon]

I think Carter's First Symphony is a real yawn. It doesn't seem to have much character even compared to other Carter scores from the same period. It's probably significant that, although he has used the word "symphony" and "sinfonia" in his later scores, he has never appended the number 2 to any of them.

[karlhenning]

Who are you to say what I know?

Partly because of your ready exhibitionism.

All of us have had occasion to see how so much of what you "know" (vibrational fields, e.g.) is absolute piffle. Poju.

Elgar is my favorite composer!

Oh, now there's a bulletin!  Extra points for ever so much value added to the forum with that announcement, Poju.

It means I have spend a lot of time and effort to understand him and his music.

Right, so the failure in your knowledge and understanding is not for lack of trying, granted.

[karlhenning]

I think Carter's First Symphony is a real yawn.

I'll happily take your word there;  that's not one I'm beating any path to listen to . . . .

Has anyone heard Rimsky-Korsakov's First?

[BachQ]

Elgar is my favorite composer!

Oh, now there's a bulletin!  Extra points for ever so much value added to the forum with that announcement, Poju.

I must make a note of that ((searching for notepad)) ......... Fresh, new revelations of this calibre are always welcome, Poju .........

[71 dB]

All of us have had occasion to see how so much of what you "know" (vibrational fields, e.g.) is absolute piffle. Poju.

Damn! I am a free-thinker so I have my own theories. That doesn't mean I don't know things. It means I have brains to come up with theories. Every theory in the world, every advance in understanding has needed a person like me.

Right, so the failure in your knowledge and understanding is not for lack of trying, granted.

What failure? Are you an Elgar specialist capable of judging me?

[MN Dave]

Damn! I am a free-thinker so I have my own theories. That doesn't mean I don't know things. It means I have brains to come up with theories. Every theory in the world, every advance in understanding has needed a person like me.

What failure? Are you an Elgar specialist capable of judging me?

Give it up, dude.

[Thom]

Of course it is only a matter of taste, not of absolute truth, and therefore a thread like this is so amusing and at the same time not something to be taken so seriously. I do think that Elgars 2 symphonies are glorious works, his 2nd even more so than his first. They give me much pleasure over and over again.

[71 dB]

I do think that Elgars 2 symphonies are glorious works, his 2nd even more so than his first. They give me much pleasure over and over again.

It's always nice to hear some people enjoy the same things I do.   0:)