Rimsky-Korsakov recommendations?

[Elgarian]

Celibidache (Munich Phil) 54:11

Blimey Sarge! Much slower and it'd have to be a 2CD set!

[Elgarian]

I think this is not as useful as movement by movement)

You're right, but I thought I didn't have enough time going spare. Now I think about it though, it wouldn't have taken me much longer. I may have another shot.

[mc ukrneal]

You're right, but I thought I didn't have enough time going spare. Now I think about it though, it wouldn't have taken me much longer. I may have another shot.

Oh I wasn't trying to criticize, but I see it came out that way - was trying to say it more as a fact. I totally understand - we all have lives outside of here.

[Elgarian]

Oh I wasn't trying to criticize, but I see it came out that way.

No, it didn't, Neal. It was a pertinent comment, accepted as such, and agreed with in the best of humour, I promise.

[Elgarian]

This was once a sensible post, but then I edited it by accident and couldn't recover the original. In the original, I had presented the individual movement timings for my discs, but I felt that I did so with such once-in-a-lifetime panache, wit, enthusiasm and profound insight, that its loss seems like a personal tragedy of magnitude comparable to ... oh, to the loss of an empty cereal packet. At least.

Still, we keep on, under adversity.

[Sergeant Rock]

Järvi (Scottish National) 45:30 (10:18; 12:12; 10:53; 12:06)
Previn (LSO) 46:05 (11:04; 11:40; 11:05; 12:19)
Rostropovich (O de Paris) 47:43 (11:30; 12:55; 10:27; 12:49)
Celibidache (RSO Stuttgart) 49:59 [10:53; 14:31; 11:18; 13:17)

[mc ukrneal]

[Does anyone know how to line up the numbers in vertical columns?]

I think Opus106 does. He did it in the Haydn thread a few times if you want to search for an example. Or you could PM him.

Mackerras LSO 45:06 (10:03; 11:56; 10:11; 12:56).

[Elgarian]

Thanks Sarge & Neal.



Batiz (Philharmonia) 41:33 (9:13; 11:09; 9:52; 11:19)
Ansermet (Suisse Romande) 43:15 (10:07; 11:09; 9:34; 12:25)
Ormandy (Philadelphia) 44:06 (10:17; 11:41; 9:46; 12:22)
Kondrashin (Concertgebouw) 44:16 (10:10; 12:08; 9:37; 12:21)
Stokowski (Chicago) 44:23 (9:33; 11:19; 11:21; 12:00)
Reiner (Chicago) 44:30 (9:06; 11:35; 12:02; 11:47)
Svetlanov (URSS) 44:49 (10:41; 11:37; 10:13; 12:18)
Mackerras LSO 45:06 (10:03; 11:56; 10:11; 12:56)
Järvi (Scottish National) 45:30 (10:18; 12:12; 10:53; 12:06)
Beecham (RPO) 45:41 (10:04; 12:02; 10:42; 12:51)
Dutoit (RPO) 45:44 (10:45; 11:46; 10:36; 12:37)
Gergiev (Kirov) 45:51 (10:26; 12:26; 10:55; 12:04)
Schwarz (Seattle) 45:52 (10:46; 11:34; 10:43; 12:48)
Litton (LPO) 45:54 (10:46; 12:06; 10:46; 12:16)
Previn (LSO) 46:05 (11:04; 11:40; 11:05; 12:19)
Rostropovich (O de Paris) 47:43 (11:30; 12:55; 10:27; 12:49)
Celibidache (RSO Stuttgart) 49:59 [10:53; 14:31; 11:18; 13:17)
Celibidache (Munich Phil) 54:11 (12:04; 15:47; 12:11; 14:09)

[mc ukrneal]

A few more:
Karajan BPO 46:27 (10:02; 12:50; 10:40; 12:55)
Beecham RPO 44:20 (9:39; 11:47; 10:15; 12:39)
Temirkanov NYPO 47:52 (11:06; 13:10; 11:10; 12:26)

[Elgarian]

Beecham RPO 44:20 (9:39; 11:47; 10:15; 12:39)

I take it this is an earlier Beecham recording? (Mine is 1958, stereo.)

[DieNacht]

Some more  :

Silvestri, Bournemouth SO circa 45:25 (10:19, 11:51, 10:52, 12:24)
Muti, Philadelphia  circa 45:05 (10:04, 12:31, 10:16, 12:14)(LP timings)
M.Gould, Morton Gould SO circa 43:25 (9:49, 11:16, 10:30, 11:50)(LP timings)
Chalabala, Czech PO (no timings yet; LP only)
Scherchen, Wiener StaatsOper Orchestra circa 46:35 (11:50, 11:09, 10:12, 13:22)
Golovanov, D.Oistrakh, SO (you-tube) circa 43:45 (10:01, 11:40; 10:49; 11:12)

[mc ukrneal]

I take it this is an earlier Beecham recording? (Mine is 1958, stereo.)

I'd guess so. Not sure what year it is from though. It is a download (my only one) and that is all the info I have, though sound is definitely older.

[Elgarian]

Muti, Philadelphia  circa 45:05 (10:04, 12:31, 10:16, 12:14)(LP timings)

What's the Muti like? I've been wondering about acquiring that.

(I'll let all these extras keep coming in and then produce a quasi-definitive list at some point, to include all we've gathered.)

[DieNacht]

What's the Muti like? I've been wondering about acquiring that.

(I'll let all these extras keep coming in and then produce a quasi-definitive list at some point, to include all we've gathered.)

It´s been a long time since I heard it; I´m going through a rather nostalgic trip as regards performances of this work these days, due to exceptionally cheap LP sales some elder recordings are available. Today I bought the Rostropovich LP presenting a Chagall cover illustration allegedly made for the recording occasion, but it was not in the Angel edition which should specify the Chagall story a bit more and which is also more attractive visually.

I liked Svetlanov, it´s the only distinctively Russian performance I have got (Golovanov´s on you-t is on top of the list for a listen though). "Scheherazade" is Svetlanov in good shape, like he is in Kalinnikov´s 1st, the early melodiya recording of Balakirev`s "Tamar", Prokofiev´s "Alexander Nevsky" etc., to mention some highlights. Fine playing and delicate phrasing in the strings, and good sound (unlike his thin-sounding "Sacre" which I recently got and which was disappointing). I imagine the CD version must have even more spacious and impressive sound.

As regards Stokowski/RPO I too remember it as less dramatic, though having some moments. But facing the competition - it is indeed a crowded field - you´re probably right in pointing to its faults. I wasn`t aware of that he has made one with Chicago SO; it might very well be better, Stokowski recordings can be so different from each other ...

I remember the Muti as good and impressive as regards the sound, but don´t really remember any details ...

[Elgarian]

This is a temporary post which I'll continue to modify, gradually putting the list into table form. (I took a peek at one of Navneeth's tables and copied his system. Don't imagine for a moment that I have any clue about what I'm doing, but it seems to work. It's painfully slow though, I can say that!)

Batiz (Philharmonia)	41:33	9:13	11:09	9:52	11:19
Leinsdorf (Concert Arts)	41:51	8:59	11.29	9:20	12:03
Ansermet (Suisse Romande)	43:15	10:07	11:09	9:34	12:25
M.Gould (Morton Gould SO) LP	43:25	9:49	11:16	10:30	11:50
Golovanov (D.Oistrakh, SO) YT	43:45	10:01	11:40	10:49	11:12
Ormandy (Philadelphia)	44:06	10:17	11:41	9:46	12:22
Kondrashin (Concertgebouw)	44:16	10:10	12:08	9:37	12:21
Beecham (RPO, early date)	44:20	9:39	11:47	10:15	12:39
Stokowski (Chicago)	44:23	9:33	11:19	11:21	12:00
Reiner (Chicago)	44:30	9:06	11:35	12:02	11:47
Svetlanov (URSS)	44:49	10:41	11:37	10:13	12:18
Muti ( Philadelphia) LP	45:05	10:04	12:31	10:16	12:14
Mackerras (LSO)	45:06	10:03	11:56	10:11	12:56
Silvestri (Bournemouth SO)	45:25	10:19	11:51	10:52	12:24
Järvi (Scottish National)	45:30	10:18	12:12	10:53	12:06
Beecham (RPO, 1958)	45:41	10:04	12:02	10:42	12:51
Dutoit (RPO)	45:44	10:45	11:46	10:36	12:37
Gergiev (Kirov)	45:51	10:26	12:26	10:55	12:04
Schwarz (Seattle)	45:52	10:46	11:34	10:43	12:48
Litton (LPO)	45:54	10:46	12:06	10:46	12:16
Previn (LSO)	46:05	11:04	11:40	11:05	12:19
Karajan BPO	46:27	10:02	12:50	10:40	12:55
Scherchen (Wiener StaatsOper Orch) LP	46:35	11:50	11:09	10:12	13:22
Rostropovich (O de Paris)	47:43	11:30	12:55	10:27	12:49
Temirkanov NYPO	47:52	11:06	13:10	11:10	12:26
Celibidache (RSO Stuttgart)	49:59	10:53	14:31	11:18	13:17
Celibidache (Munich Phil)	54:11	12:04	15:47	12:11	14:09

[Elgarian]

It´s been a long time since I heard it; I´m going through a rather nostalgic trip as regards performances of this work these days, due to exceptionally cheap LP sales some elder recordings are available. Today I bought the Rostropovich LP presenting a Chagall cover illustration allegedly made for the recording occasion, but it was not in the Angel edition which should specify the Chagall story a bit more and which is also more attractive visually.

I liked Svetlanov, it´s the only distinctively Russian performance I have got (Golovanov´s on you-t is on top of the list for a listen though). "Scheherazade" is Svetlanov in good shape, like he is in Kalinnikov´s 1st, the early melodiya recording of Balakirev`s "Tamar", Prokofiev´s "Alexander Nevsky" etc., to mention some highlights. Fine playing and delicate phrasing in the strings, and good sound (unlike his thin-sounding "Sacre" which I recently got and which was disappointing). I imagine the CD version must have even more spacious and impressive sound.

As regards Stokowski/RPO I too remember it as less dramatic, though having some moments. But facing the competition - it is indeed a crowded field - you´re probably right in pointing to its faults. I wasn`t aware of that he has made one with Chicago SO; it might very well be better, Stokowski recordings can be so different from each other ...

I remember the Muti as good and impressive as regards the sound, but don´t really remember any details ...

I recall reading that at the time Muti was very deliberately recording blockbuster versions of the popular classics, so it could be quite a bit of fun.

Incidentally, I recently discovered that Rozhdestvensky did a version of Scheherazade as part of a series of 'The 50 best Classics' or something. Of course it's long out of print and I could find only one or two copies of it on CD, but I've decided to give it a try and am awaiting its arrival. I love Rozhdestvensky's approach to Sibelius symphonies, and although this is of course a very different kettle of fish, I'm hoping some of the raw blaringness that he expresses there might make for an interesting take on Scheherazade.

[DieNacht]

I recall reading that at the time Muti was very deliberately recording blockbuster versions of the popular classics, so it could be quite a bit of fun.

Incidentally, I recently discovered that Rozhdestvensky did a version of Scheherazade as part of a series of 'The 50 best Classics' or something. Of course it's long out of print and I could find only one or two copies of it on CD, but I've decided to give it a try and am awaiting its arrival. I love Rozhdestvensky's approach to Sibelius symphonies, and although this is of course a very different kettle of fish, I'm hoping some of the raw blaringness that he expresses there might make for an interesting take on Scheherazade.

It would be interesting to know the year of the Rozhdestvensky recording (a novelty to me); his early recordings can be very temperamental, whereas the later ones vary more in the attitude to the works ...

[eyeresist]

This is a temporary post which I'll continue to modify, gradually putting the list into table form. (I took a peek at one of Navneeth's tables and copied his system. Don't imagine for a moment that I have any clue about what I'm doing, but it seems to work. It's painfully slow though, I can say that!)

Since the forum recognises multiple spaces in posts, you can use that as a quick-and-dirty way to get a similar result.

[MishaK]

Ormandy (Philadelphia)

44:06

10:17

11:41

9:46

12:22

You know Ormandy omitted several bars, right?

[Elgarian]

It would be interesting to know the year of the Rozhdestvensky recording (a novelty to me); his early recordings can be very temperamental, whereas the later ones vary more in the attitude to the works ...

I'll let you know when the CD arrives.