Schools and university reports and dissertation burnt

[Que]

The shrinks are a bunch of jokers though.

I'm sure some are, and some are not. And you are probably smarter than most of them, but intelligence isn't everything.
Btw I was not that chocked by the here publicised "burning ritual", and I don't think you are a arsonist now or "dangerous" or something like that.
Still, as was already apparent before, it seems that you are in need of some straightening out.

Just go and do it - nobody will do it for you.

Q

[M forever]

Hi Mark. Yes, I would burn down my old schools if I could get away with it, and have the land ploughed over and toxic waste pumped into it.

Aha. If you got away with it, what kind of fate would you envision for the teachers? Did they do the stuff to you at the catholic school the cliché says they usually do to boys?

[Great Gable]

Sean - I'd quite like to know what exactly you are hoping to achieve with these posts of yours. If it was sympathy then you need to think again - this is a forum after all - you'll get short shrift here. Is it perhaps that you are engendering a persona of mystery and enigma - just hoping to appear eccentric and bizarre? If so, it doesn't seem to be having the desired effect, as most people just assume you're barking. So, what gives?

[Sean]

No, they didn't do anything cliched to me at the catholic school, and I was certainly never asked to join a club or clique- the teachers just hated me: I asked difficult questions about why they were wasting our time teaching that trash and filth, but they knew they were just robots filling a role and couldn't answer: I wasn't supposed to exist- those questions weren't supposed to ever be asked.

For what it's worth I have seen councellors on specific occasions in the past, not that there's anything remotely wrong with me you understand, and they are idiots (two of them refused to see me and I put one out of the business).

Quentin Crisp in his The Naked civil servant said that one gets hooked on exhibitionism...

I think I'm basically fine, and it's the world that's nuts. For sure.

[MN Dave]

Don't let it get to you, future worm-food. 

[MishaK]

I think I'm basically fine, and it's the world that's nuts. For sure.

Sure.    But by what standards then do you define normalcy and nuttiness?

[M forever]

The world is nuts, but there are ways to deal with that. Finding those ways is sometimes referred to as "growing up". Which our friend here hasn't yet managed to do.

[Great Gable]

The world is nuts, but there are ways to deal with that. Finding those ways is sometimes referred to as "growing up". Which our friend here hasn't yet managed to do.

Hey, he's only 52 - give him a chance!

[M forever]

Sean is 52? Are you kidding?

[Sean]

Mensch, well one of my pet gripes is democracy and the rise of rule by the lowest tier of society: this has justified greed and waste on unprecedented scales, not to mention eliminating high culture, and is literally destroying the world. More than anything, large scale democratic organization has brought resource mismanagement- we are living beyond our means, bringing constant war for the world's remaining oil supplies to feed the truly grotesque, mindlessly materialist lifestyles of many Westerners. The so called virtues of democracy and the preposterous ethical flourish of trumpets any mention of the word brings is one example of your nuttiness masquerading as normalcy.

[Sean]

I'm 38.5.

[MishaK]

Mensch, well one of my pet gripes is democracy and the rise of rule by the lowest tier of society: this has justified greed and waste on unprecedented scales, not to mention eliminating high culture, and is literally destroying the world. More than anything, large scale democratic organization has brought resource mismanagement- we are living beyond our means, bringing constant war for the world's remaining oil supplies to feed the truly grotesque, mindlessly materialist lifestyles of many Westerners. The so called virtues of democracy and the preposterous ethical flourish of trumpets any mention of the word brings is one example of your nuttiness masquerading as normalcy.

Some truly spurious logic here.

I suppose it is because the "lowest tier of society" is ruling that we have so much corporate welfare and lobbying going on and why the poor are so vastly empowered, right? Also the "eliminat[ion] of high culture" is clearly to blame for our overflowing music conservatories, right? Also, clearly, democracy is the problem in resource management, not by any chance anti-democratic plutocracy. You know, there is nuttiness around there for sure. But it still takes a clear mind to figure out just how that nuttiness works and how to stay sane. Blaming perceived ills on convenient scapegoats using facile conspiracy theories only removes the remnants of your own sanity.

I am friends with some trumpet players, but I am not sure what the "preposterous ethical flourish of trumpets" is. I will have to ask them.

[Josquin des Prez]

I suppose it is because the "lowest tier of society" is ruling that we have so much corporate welfare and lobbying going on and why the poor are so vastly empowered, right?

You missed the point. The lowest tier of society is ruling by inversion, that is, the upper classes maintain power (as they always do) by pandering rather then by authority. This means that those on top still get all the wealth and privileges while the rest of society follows the whims of the ignorant masses.

Also the "eliminat[ion] of high culture" is clearly to blame for our overflowing music conservatories, right?

Conservatories by name only. The institution remain, but most of the spirit is gone. Same goes for universities.

Blaming perceived ills on convenient scapegoats using facile conspiracy theories only removes the remnants of your own sanity.

True but unless you admit there is a problem then you'll never find the cause.

[M forever]

I am friends with some trumpet players, but I am not sure what the "preposterous ethical flourish of trumpets" is. I will have to ask them.

Here is an example: http://tinyurl.com/yuqn2r

[MishaK]

You missed the point. The lowest tier of society is ruling by inversion, that is, the upper classes maintain power (as they always do) by pandering rather then by authority. This means that those on top still get all the wealth and privileges while the rest of society follows the whims of the ignorant masses.

Conservatories by name only. The institution remain, but most of the spirit is gone. Same goes for universities.

True but unless you admit there is a problem then you'll never find the cause.

WTF are you talking about? In what parallel (or not so parallel) universe do you exist? And since when are you Sean's ventriloquist?

[Sean]

Most of the lowest tier of Western society are fat or obese- their indulgence knows no end or sense even on a personal level, and needs to be guided from above for the good of all. Your idea that plutocrats have hijacked the natural order is right nonesense- democracy needs them and votes them in to keep the lies about the theft of world resources in place: most people want to be lied to by the customer-paying media each night thank you very much. They don't care how many women and children their soldiers kill as long as it's a long way away and fogged over with arguments like yours, and it means they have their standard of living, if you can call it that.

(Did M say he was a touch overweight?, sorry about that M.)

[Sean]

Josquin- nice post.

[MishaK]

Most of the lowest tier of Western society are fat or obese- their indulgence knows no end or sense even on a personal level, and needs to be guided from above for the good of all. Your idea that plutocrats have hijacked the natural order is right nonesense- democracy needs them and votes them in to keep the lies about the theft of world resources in place: most people want to be lied to by the customer-paying media each night thank you very much. They don't care how many women and children their soldiers kill as long as it's a long way away and fogged over with arguments like yours, and it means they have their standard of living, if you can call it that.

I have highlighted a few words in your text in bold. Until you define these concepts and what they mean to you, we cannot even begin to have a serious discussion. Clearly, you mean something else than dictionary definitions here. As it stands, it reads like uninformed knee-jerk nonsense. The italicized text I take exception with. Nothing that I said can in any way be taken to condone or even "fog over" any of the warfare going on in the world at present. Quite, to the contrary. I know it must give you a warm fuzzy righteous feeling inside you when you attack everyone around and convince yourself that everyone has ganged up on you and that you are the sole remaining beacon of sanity. But it doesn't really work outside your own mind. You convince no one.

I knew what I meant when I said your Catholic school education explains many things. You behave like a grand inquisitor, inveighing against gluttonous sinners who need "guidance from above" (as if you were the one to judge). All of the pseudo-philosophic nonsense you write is laced with a conflict between repression and feeble attempts at purification in the face of a perception of an overwhelming guilt. Nothing lingers like Catholic education...

Here is an example: http://tinyurl.com/yuqn2r

I bow down before the almost perverse open-mindedness you must have imposed upon yourself to listen to this long enough to even find this in the first place. 

[M forever]

Most of the lowest tier of Western society are fat or obese- their indulgence knows no end or sense even on a personal level, and needs to be guided from above for the good of all.

Nonsense. Not all or even most of the lower class are fat. Some of them are, and the main reason for that is cheap and unhealthy food. But you are fat in the head.

(Did M say he was a touch overweight?, sorry about that M.)

Don't worry. I already lost a lot of weight. Because I moved from the lower into the upper class. And lower class people are all fat. But upper class people aren't. I guess if I was you, I would blame my overweight on the philosophical shallowness of the West.

[Sean]

M, that is one stonkingly good example of what I mean, angelic, seraphic and a mound of dung at the same time.

Mensch, I know we're on different galaxies, certainly in parallel universes, and you had me banging on the desk in my avatar in mirth about the bit on repression and purification; actually I did like the stuff re the warm fuzzy feeling, but I still hesitate to continue with this post: one criticizes in others what one sees in oneself; you kind-of have an identity with the official view of the world. But enough.

M, I won't blame anything on the philosophical shallowness of the West, the problem is that it's been allowed to happen at all: the moronic masses aren't to blame, they're just moronic- they're the cows happily munching the grass in the field outside the abattoir.