Daphnis et Chloe versus The Rite of Spring

[knight66]

Reading through it, a lot of posts have done exactly what I suggested. Also, I did not suggest you were not allowed to say whatever you like, and I assume that right for myself, within the rules here....OK?

Mike

[Florestan]

OK?

OK.

[PerfectWagnerite]

They are both ballets produced for the same company. But I have no idea why they would be compared and set against one another in this way. I don't like these topics that seem to require that to argue for one piece one needs to diminish the other.

Mike

With all due respect I do not see anyone diminishing one or the other. Some have said Daphnis is their least favorite Ravel piece, some said they prefer other pieces, some think it is not as terse as the Rite. No one went out of their way to say really anything negative.

[Crudblud]

My preferred (there is a broad general consensus on this choice, too)
Charles Munch, Boston Symphony. 
It is an older recording, the sound quality still more than a little fine,, and considered an archival 'must.'

That's a good one, though I've come to prefer Pierre Monteux with the London Symphony Orchestra.

(voted for Daphnis, btw, Rite has never done much for me)

[Ken B]

With all due respect I do not see anyone diminishing one or the other. Some have said Daphnis is their least favorite Ravel piece, some said they prefer other pieces, some think it is not as terse as the Rite. No one went out of their way to say really anything negative.

Indeed. And even if they did, so what? Only praise is allowed here?
One poster just made a comment about Peter Pears that was rather disparaging for instance. But it was insightful, and contributed, and the fact he didn't like Pears was part of why it was so. The fact that some of us think the suites better than the whole ballet conveys information.

[Florestan]

Only praise is allowed here?

Of course! Otherwise Stravinsky or Ravel might feel criticized, and stiffled, and rejected --- and that´s what we should avoid like plague, besides being politically incorrect. Everyone is uniquely brilliant, remember?

[knight66]

With all due respect I do not see anyone diminishing one or the other. Some have said Daphnis is their least favorite Ravel piece, some said they prefer other pieces, some think it is not as terse as the Rite. No one went out of their way to say really anything negative.

I admire the suites from Daphnis; but to be honest, the full score is disappointing - and no match for the Sacre IMHO. I think I even prefer Pierné's Cyndalise in that case.

That was pretty much at random. And this is how these topics usually end up in my experience.

Mike

[knight66]

Indeed. And even if they did, so what? Only praise is allowed here?
One poster just made a comment about Peter Pears that was rather disparaging for instance. But it was insightful, and contributed, and the fact he didn't like Pears was part of why it was so. The fact that some of us think the suites better than the whole ballet conveys information.

That Pears comment was by me. And I have never tried to deny anyone their opinion, I am simply saying that I don't like a set up where to praise one composer or piece, another gets denigrated.

Mike

[PerfectWagnerite]

That Pears comment was by me. And I have never tried to deny anyone their opinion, I am simply saying that I don't like a set up where to praise one composer or piece, another gets denigrated.

Mike

Isn't that what most polls are about? How about the one Mahler versus Strauss? talk about 2 composers with nothing really similar except they use large orchestras.

[knight66]

Yes, and I don't like them, just saying.

Mike

[Ken B]

Yes, and I don't like them, just saying.

Mike

Just saying? You, a moderator cite "within the rules", in my opinion in a suggestive manner, but you're just saying?

And of course the Pears comment was by you; that's why I cited it. Goose and gander.

[Mirror Image]

That´s it in a nutshell. On revient toujours à ses premiers amours.

I´m willing to bet my whole (inexistent) fortune that we all hold dearest and prefer above all the very first pieces of classical music we heard. It's only too human! 

I have no doubt whatsoever that, had you heard D&C first, you'd have prefered it to LSDP.

Well, I'm not sure if I would have preferred Le sacre over Daphnis. One thing that attracted me to Le sacre was it's odd rhythmic meters. As a former percussionist, I really gravitated towards that primitive quality in the music. This isn't to say I don't enjoy Daphnis of course, but I believe I'm the only one who can make any kind of claim for what I hear or what I, ultimately, will prefer.

[Dancing Divertimentian]

Of course! Otherwise Stravinsky or Ravel might feel criticized, and stiffled, and rejected --- and that´s what we should avoid like plague, besides being politically incorrect. Everyone is uniquely brilliant, remember?

Depends on what's being offered. Stupidity, no matter how "provocative", is still stupidity. What cracks me up is the overreaction by the "outspoken" to confrontation. Don't confront them! They're on a righteous soapbox!! 

[Dancing Divertimentian]

Just saying? You, a moderator cite "within the rules", in my opinion in a suggestive manner, but you're just saying?

I'll answer for knight:

HELL YEAH!!!!

[knight66]

Thank you DD.

I see Ken is continuing his conspiricy theory behaviour. Or perhaps he just enjoys being argumentative. Anyway, I will continue to express my opinions just as everyone else here can and you might perhaps like to note that when I am moderating, I use the name Knight, not....

Mike

I always like to be helpful.

[Maestro267]

Both are great works, but I've gotta go for the opulent orchestration of Daphnis.

[Mirror Image]

Both are great works, but I've gotta go for the opulent orchestration of Daphnis.

The orchestration of Daphnis is, without a doubt, amazing. That I can agree with.

[mszczuj]

What do you not like about it? Wow there seems to be some negativity here regarding Daphnis and none versus The Rite. I wonder why?

I like it. I like all in it. I don't see any reason to cirticize it. It's always pleasure to listen to it. But I just didn't ever scream nothing like OMG or dance like a fool or even make any air-conducting while listening to it. It was never an earworm for me.

[Ken B]

I voted for Ives Symphony no 4 

And Brian complains that other thread is too negative!