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« Reply #1000 on: August 06, 2021, 08:35:28 AM »
Have you heard Bernard Winsemius play van Noordt's psalm 119? I thought that piece was a little sleepy on the Naxos disc (vol. 2), I like this more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M0hDlV_SFc

1791 Hess organ, Nieuwe kerk, Haarlem

Yes I have, I like Winsemius very much.
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« Reply #1001 on: August 08, 2021, 10:20:37 PM »


Contrary to what the cover may suggest, only three of the pieces here are by Willaert. Musica Nova was an anthology of pieces by several different composers. The odd thing is that they choose to play many of them as duets for organ and harpsichord, the result sounds like a claviorganum of course, but it ain’t. And some of them are for two organs. Do they need more than two hands and two feet? The recording is very satisfying in indeed.

Willaert: Ricercare I (harpsichord)
Segni: Ricercare III (harpsichord)
Segni: Ricercare IV (organ, harpsichord)
Segni or Willaert: Ricercare VI (organ)
Benoist: Ricercare VII (organ, harpsichord)
Segni: Ricercare VIII (harpsichord, organ)
Segni: Ricercare IX (organ)
Willaert: Ricercare X (2 organs)
Segni: Ricercare XI (organ)
Segni: Ricercare XII (harpsichord)
Segni or Willaert: Ricercare XIII (harpsichord)
Willaert: Ricercare XIV (organ, harpsichord)
Segni: Ricercare XV (harpsichord, organ)
Segni: Ricercare XVI (2 organs)
Golin: Ricercare XVII (harpsichord, organ)
Parabosco: Ricercare XVIII (organ)
Segni: Ricercare XIX (organ, harpsichord)
Cavazzoni: Ricercare XX (harpsichord, organ)
Parabosco: Ricercare XXI (harpsichord)
Willaert or Segni: Ricercare XXII / Appendix 1 (organ)
Coste: Ricercare XXIII / Appendix 2 (organ)
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« Reply #1002 on: August 08, 2021, 11:05:33 PM »
Willaert: Ricercare I (harpsichord)
Segni: Ricercare III (harpsichord)
Segni: Ricercare IV (organ, harpsichord)
Segni or Willaert: Ricercare VI (organ)
Benoist: Ricercare VII (organ, harpsichord)
Segni: Ricercare VIII (harpsichord, organ)
Segni: Ricercare IX (organ)
Willaert: Ricercare X (2 organs)
Segni: Ricercare XI (organ)
Segni: Ricercare XII (harpsichord)
Segni or Willaert: Ricercare XIII (harpsichord)
Willaert: Ricercare XIV (organ, harpsichord)
Segni: Ricercare XV (harpsichord, organ)
Segni: Ricercare XVI (2 organs)
Golin: Ricercare XVII (harpsichord, organ)
Parabosco: Ricercare XVIII (organ)
Segni: Ricercare XIX (organ, harpsichord)
Cavazzoni: Ricercare XX (harpsichord, organ)
Parabosco: Ricercare XXI (harpsichord)
Willaert or Segni: Ricercare XXII / Appendix 1 (organ)
Coste: Ricercare XXIII / Appendix 2 (organ)

Are any of these pieces special in your opinion? IIRC Glen Wilson singled out Willaert XIV as a great masterpiece.

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« Reply #1003 on: August 09, 2021, 08:48:37 AM »
Are any of these pieces special in your opinion? IIRC Glen Wilson singled out Willaert XIV as a great masterpiece.

No, I can’t say that any one is special on that recording, the Willaert XIV is certainly longer (though they only take 5 minutes to get through  it!)  What is striking is the claviorganum effect.

I listened to this today - good organ, bracingly played - to the extent that the counterpoint gets a bit smudged I think. But it is breathtaking. It made me think of this comment of Glen Wilson’s

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The way the ranks of the Italian church organ are built up weighs them heavily to the treble. There are no mixtures to balance the bass (although smaller registers break back when their pipes become too small). Large organs even sometimes have additional ranks of principal pipes in the discant. This shows, to my mind, that their main function was the harmonization of choral melodies (falso bordone). Recordings, as well as my own experiences as performer and listener, confirm that lower contrapuntal voices come through poorly.



That being said, I feel that the ideal recording of this music may not be on keyboard - it may come off well for an ensemble.
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« Reply #1004 on: August 09, 2021, 09:15:05 AM »




That being said, I feel that the ideal recording of this music may not be on keyboard - it may come off well for an ensemble.

Then this may be part of what you are looking for (it sounds as if you do not know it):

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8031991--musica-nova

However I think the recording you mentioned above is most enjoyable and Tamminga was almost congenial in this music. Fortunately he left us many recordings.
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« Reply #1005 on: August 09, 2021, 06:31:24 PM »
Then this may be part of what you are looking for (it sounds as if you do not know it):

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8031991--musica-nova



Ah, I knew it existed but I had never heard it. It is more like how I imagine the music in fact.
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« Reply #1006 on: August 09, 2021, 11:45:15 PM »

However I think the recording you mentioned above is most enjoyable and Tamminga was almost congenial in this music. Fortunately he left us many recordings.

There’s something very free, spontaneous and inspired about the way he plays. A sort of abandon of the self. He reminds me of  Leonhardt in the last Forqueray CD, or Samson Francis in the Chopin mazurkas. Ultimately the Musica Nova recording is not for me for the reason I mentioned yesterday. But I’ve been enjoying very much Tamminga’s contribution to this rather fine compilation CD




The above is an outstanding CD!

(Thinking about Glen Wilson’s comment on the bass response on Italian organs makes me want to go back to Rousset’s Frescobaldi, I remember he deliberately chose a harpsichord with a poor bass response, saying that this was the authentic choice.)
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« Reply #1007 on: August 10, 2021, 03:26:35 AM »



The above is an outstanding CD!

Completely agreed. It's the most interesting Isaac recording I have heard. It may convert even Que to Isaac. I got interested in it because of the three-part Agnus Dei II, which is the origin of this much recorded three part (instrumental) La Spagna (here with Don Smithers and David Munrow):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw0xAeAt3lA



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« Reply #1008 on: August 10, 2021, 11:55:00 PM »


This is presumably one of the recordings Glen Wilson was thinking of when he made his comment about bass voices on Italian organs. However, it is a very enjoyable recording IMO!  Both the performance and the music are very enjoyable.
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« Reply #1009 on: August 14, 2021, 12:07:00 AM »


Tremendous organ here, as far as I know the only recording of the organ at the oratory of Sant'Antonio dei Cavalieri de Nardis in Aquila. Chamber sized I think. Performances incline towards the contemplative rather than virtuoso, good music in a Frescobaldi vein, like it very much.
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Re: The Organ, Master of them all - general organ thread
« Reply #1010 on: August 14, 2021, 01:23:07 AM »


Tremendous organ here, as far as I know the only recording of the organ at the oratory of Sant'Antonio dei Cavalieri de Nardis in Aquila. Chamber sized I think. Performances incline towards the contemplative rather than virtuoso, good music in a Frescobaldi vein, like it very much.

Agreed.  :)

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« Reply #1011 on: November 06, 2021, 10:07:35 AM »
Unlistenable transfer of what sounds like a fabulous Fiori Musicale at Bologna, Tagliavini at the organ in his inimitable style. Best played in one room and listened to in another

http://downloadclassica.blogspot.com/search/label/Frescobaldi
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