Haydn's Haus

[Karl Henning]

More Haydn. Happy Easter Weekend, everyone.

Music For Easter: Joseph Haydn's Seven Last Words

The Different Versions & Recommended Recordings
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenslaurson/2018/03/30/music-for-easter-joseph-haydns-seven-last-words/#1bf638e435db

Nice.

[Madiel]

I was casting my eye of the Hoboken catalogue recently and I had two questions about concertos:

1. The Flute Concerto Hob.VIIf:1, is it thought to be genuine? If so, why don't we hear it more? It's a very pretty piece.
2. The Cello Concerto Hob.VIIb:g1, is this lost or spurious? There don't seem to be any recordings of it.

Wikipedia has an answer to one of those questions. The Flute Concerto is lost. Are you sure that's the one you're hearing at all? Because there's another in the same key which is listed as spurious.

It doesn't even list a "VIIb:g1", so I don't know if that corresponds to one of the ones the article on Haydn concertos mentions.

EDIT: Ah. I see from another source that no, that cello concerto is a different one. But the numbering suggests that maybe it's a later discovery? I've found one tiny source suggesting that it's lost, so perhaps all that is known is the opening line or something.

[Gurn Blanston]

I was casting my eye of the Hoboken catalogue recently and I had two questions about concertos:

1. The Flute Concerto Hob.VIIf:1, is it thought to be genuine? If so, why don't we hear it more? It's a very pretty piece.
2. The Cello Concerto Hob.VIIb:g1, is this lost or spurious? There don't seem to be any recordings of it.

Current straight info on Hob.VIIf:1 is that it is written by Leopold Hof(f)man. Artaria Editions publishes it as being his most famous work, due to the attribution to Haydn for so many years.

Hob.VIIb:g1 is listed as lost. This raises the question: how it was known in the first place?  If Haydn noted the incipit in his Entwurf Katalog(EK), then there is no doubt he wrote one, it's just lost. If it comes from some publisher's catalog, like Breitkopf for example, then it could be by anyone in the world.  I just looked in the New Grove, and Feder does NOT list it as being in EK, although he lists the year (1773?). So I would say it had to come from a publisher's catalog. So I am very dubious, but then, no one believed concerto #2 in D was by Haydn until the autograph manuscript showed up.

[calyptorhynchus]

Current straight info on Hob.VIIf:1 is that it is written by Leopold Hof(f)man. Artaria Editions publishes it as being his most famous work, due to the attribution to Haydn for so many years.

Hob.VIIb:g1 is listed as lost. This raises the question: how it was known in the first place?  If Haydn noted the incipit in his Entwurf Katalog(EK), then there is no doubt he wrote one, it's just lost. If it comes from some publisher's catalog, like Breitkopf for example, then it could be by anyone in the world.  I just looked in the New Grove, and Feder does NOT list it as being in EK, although he lists the year (1773?). So I would say it had to come from a publisher's catalog. So I am very dubious, but then, no one believed concerto #2 in D was by Haydn until the autograph manuscript showed up.

Thanks Gurn, guess the version I was looking at hadn't been updated with the latest information. The Flute Concerto is still well worth a listen.

[Gurn Blanston]

Thanks Gurn, guess the version I was looking at hadn't been updated with the latest information. The Flute Concerto is still well worth a listen.

This is a real problem with composers in general, and Haydn in particular. I have seen a great many statements published about Haydn, especially in liner notes, which were outdated years ago. What's a music lover to do? 

[Madiel]

I have seen a great many statements published about Haydn, especially in liner notes, which were outdated years ago. What's a music lover to do? 

Get a job as a writer of liner notes.

[Gurn Blanston]

Get a job as a writer of liner notes.

I'm available...

[Gurn Blanston]

Interesting, attaching pictures seems problematic...

[Karl Henning]

Bravo!

[SurprisedByBeauty]

Interesting, attaching pictures seems problematic...

Neato!

[Gurn Blanston]

Bravo!

What, do you lads see the picture? I don't see any sign that it attached and posted. This is a mystery...

[Baron Scarpia]

Presumably your browser is blocking it.

[Gurn Blanston]

Do you see it now?

Nope, absolutely nothing to indicate anything is even there. And now I am on my home computer, which even has a different browser. Hmmmm....  When I quote you, Jens, I see the link there in your quoted text, but otherwise I wouldn't know it was there.

[Gurn Blanston]

Trying out a new image hosting service. Even so, you should listen to this set. It's only 3 disks, dammit!   

[Karl Henning]

What, do you lads see the picture? I don't see any sign that it attached and posted.

I do.  And indications are that Jens does, too 

[George]

What, do you lads see the picture? I don't see any sign that it attached and posted. This is a mystery...

I see the attachment as clear as day, both on my phone and my laptop.

[Karl Henning]

Cheers, George!

[George]

Cheers, George!

[The One]

 
Show-off!

[Gurn Blanston]

I see the attachment as clear as day, both on my phone and my laptop.

I can only think this is from the upgrade. I could always see uploaded pictures before, and I can see remote links from hosting sites, but there is no vague indication that I posted a picture, which I did from work using Firefox. I couldn't see it there but I thought when I came home I would see it on Chrome. No. I am curious if anyone else has tried attaching a picture and can they see their picture? Can I see their picture? 

Show-off!

Well yes, I am. But I was actually just putting it up so one person could see it and was going to quickly delete it. Since I couldn't see it I thought it wasn't there, which shot that plan in the ass. I did manage to go 1.5 years without posting it though...