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Gurn Blanston

Jo may be right about being for specialists, I don't know about that, but I have had all of those for many years, the commercially available ones as well as the LP transfers. Yes, they are played with the same size band that Haydn wrote them for and premiered them with. Which is anywhere from 12-16 people. This has given them a wonderful transparency that lets you hear the music like it was a chamber piece. Which it was, actually. Obviously, comparison to larger groups' efforts will find them lacking in robustness, which bothers me not in the least, but YMMV.

If you already have the CBS releases and enjoy them, picking up that box is a no-brainer. Solomons is the true pioneer of HIP Haydn symphonies.

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Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Brian on January 27, 2024, 09:28:17 AMcrosspost from New Releases



Amazon.DE says March 29.

I missed the similar-looking Max Goberman Haydn box...have not heard anything about these recordings before.

Looking at this, it appears to contain even more than the LP transfers I have, which I believe total 12. Clearly I have to get this one myself. Can't wait!

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Jo498

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on January 28, 2024, 07:48:10 AMJo may be right about being for specialists, I don't know about that, but I have had all of those for many years, the commercially available ones as well as the LP transfers. Yes, they are played with the same size band that Haydn wrote them for and premiered them with. Which is anywhere from 12-16 people. This has given them a wonderful transparency that lets you hear the music like it was a chamber piece. Which it was, actually. Obviously, comparison to larger groups' efforts will find them lacking in robustness, which bothers me not in the least, but YMMV.

If you already have the CBS releases and enjoy them, picking up that box is a no-brainer. Solomons is the true pioneer of HIP Haydn symphonies.
I agree, and despite my somewhat critical remarks above I am on record (probably findable on this very forum) for recommending the 2-3 reissue discs with Solomon that were available, incl. 39,45,48,49,59. Admittedly, I was not as convinced by the 3 disc box I got much later (42, 45, 46, 47, 51 & 65). No way I am paying 75 Euros (current Amazon price), maybe if it falls to ~40, otherwise I'll pass and remain happy with the ones I have.
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Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Jo498 on January 28, 2024, 08:15:41 AMI agree, and despite my somewhat critical remarks above I am on record (probably findable on this very forum) for recommending the 2-3 reissue discs with Solomon that were available, incl. 39,45,48,49,59. Admittedly, I was not as convinced by the 3 disc box I got much later (42, 45, 46, 47, 51 & 65). No way I am paying 75 Euros (current Amazon price), maybe if it falls to ~40, otherwise I'll pass and remain happy with the ones I have.

Yes, 75 is a bit more Euros than I care to part with also. Maybe they'll show up on Presto and I will download the FLACs. I haven't bought a CD in 3 years now... 🧐🤠
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Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on January 28, 2024, 07:51:35 AMLooking at this, it appears to contain even more than the LP transfers I have, which I believe total 12. Clearly I have to get this one myself. Can't wait!

I just got an opportunity to check mine,

Commercial releases:
CBS 2 disk box, contents listed by Jo
CBS 3 disk box, ditto
CBS single disk, #45 & 48

9 disks from HaydnHouse that are LP transfers. I can list them if need be, but the main thing is the total. = 15 disks, so, 3 new ones.

It isn't the sort of info I carry in my head for quick access, but I recall during my writing about the works around 1768-74, there are different versions of the same symphony, differences ranging from more or fewer instruments to entirely different finales or introductions. If you look at the Hogwood TOC you can see that. But Hogwood doesn't play every version, nor does anyone else. However, cumulatively one can assemble the different ones. And IIRC, there are a couple of them in the Solomons cycle that don't appear elsewhere. So there's that...

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Jo498

#12965
The 2 Solomons reissues in a cheap Sony series (26,48,49 and 39 45,59),  were among the first handful of discs in my "rediscovery" of Haydn symphonies in the late 1990s, so they do have a rather special place in my collection and my love of this music ("re" because I had of course encountered a bunch of more or less well known symphonies as a beginner almost 10 years earlier but for several years Haydn was not a main interest).

If more of Solomons' series had been available then as midprice single or double discs, I'd certainly have bought some of them, but even the 2 or 3 earlier CBS were long gone. So I eventually got the Pinnock Sturm&Drang box when it came out (I had had one single disc of that series before) and was set for some years as it was a demanding task to get all/most of Haydn's symphonies in decent recordings at all.
Around 2009 I'd probably have grabbed the new box even at 70 EUR but nowadays, I don't really feel I need any more Haydn symphonies, and I am not interested enough in the early ones (ca. discs 14-18) anyway.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Jo498 on January 28, 2024, 12:03:39 PMThe 2 Solomons reissues in a cheap Sony series (26,48,49 and 39 45,59),  were among the first handful of discs in my "rediscovery" of Haydn symphonies in the late 1990s, so they do have a rather special place in my collection and my love of this music ("re" because I had of course encountered a bunch of more or less well known symphonies as a beginner almost 10 years earlier but for several years Haydn was not a main interest).

If more of Solomons' series had been available then as midprice single or double discs, I'd certainly have bought some of them, but even the 2 or 3 earlier CBS were long gone. So I eventually got the Pinnock Sturm&Drang box when it came out (I had had one single disc of that series before) and was set for some years as it was a demanding task to get all/most of Haydn's symphonies in decent recordings at all.
Around 2009 I'd probably have grabbed the new box even at 70 EUR but nowadays, I don't really feel I need any more Haydn symphonies, and I am not interested enough in the early ones (ca. discs 14-18) anyway.

Well that's the reasonable view I would expect most will take. With most composers it is the view I would take too. With a very few others, Haydn included, I take a broader view towards acquisition. 😊 I can't listen to a large number of performers' voices with every composer, but there's always room for more Haydn (or Mozart). 🤠
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Jo498

I realized a few days ago that I had that Rosbaud SWF/SWR box with radio recordings of Haydn symphonies + concertos from the 1950s. I was mildly surprised that I owned this (so I am sure that I'll end up with the Solomons box as well, if it becomes cheap). I probably haven't listened to all of it yet. Now I listened to 90, 93 and 95. It's a mixed bag. The 90 has the worst sound and Rosbaud seems to use an edition without trumpets and drums and the horns are barely audible making this a mostly strings + woodwind piece which despite some nice woodwinds in the slow movement (that is also very slow) makes it a bit disappointing.
93 and 95 have better sound and I like them overall much better. Still dryish mono, so not the most colorful but surprising transparency for the sound and vintage, good tempi and shaping.





Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
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calyptorhynchus

#12968
What did Solomons mean by 107, 108? 105 and 106 I would understand.
'Many men are melancholy by hearing music, but it is a pleasing melancholy that it causeth.' Robert Burton

Jo498

#12969
107 and 108 are also known as "A" and "B". They are 2 early symphonies (one might not even be by Haydn). 105 is the Sinfonia concertante, 106 a single movement AKA Ouverture to I pescatrici.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal