Haydn's Haus

[Gurn Blanston]

Hi Gurn - thanks for the additional information on the Sonatas for Violin & Fortepiano w/ Bologni & Modugno - purchased through the Amazon Marketplace for $11.84 (plus the usual $3 S/H) - but these are Haydn rarities for the 'completest' like us, I guess.  Not sure that I completely agree w/ the comment on 'too much reverberation' but would certainly be curious about the actual recording venue and the strings used on the violin - still cannot find much more doing some 'googling' myself at the moment?  Dave 

Well, his statement that an 1815 Schantz might not be the right instrument makes perfect sense to me, at least if we are talking about the time they were written (early 1790's). Even an 1795 Erard (French) might be a more appropriate choice, I would think. Obviously I can't comment on the sound, beyond saying that I share his vision of an intimate salon setting as opposed to a concert venue.

[Gurn Blanston]

There is an interesting recording of Haydn: Sonata for Piano and Violin in G major done by Benjamin Britten and Yehudi Menuhin.

Not HIP, but interesting nonetheless.

The mere fact that they performed it is interesting in and of itself. Certainly they were up to the task.

[DarkAngel]

Another super cheap Haydn keyboard sonatas set (piano) has surfaced, 9 CDs for 13 euros........check some samples, sounds very good to me. (USA buyers beware of high JPC shipping costs)

http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Joseph-Haydn-S%E4mtliche-Klaviersonaten-Vol-1-3/hnum/3567959

Anyone have this by chance......hard to go wrong at that price

[SonicMan46]

 

Another super cheap Haydn keyboard sonatas set (piano) has surfaced, 9 CDs for 13 euros........check some samples, sounds very good to me. (USA buyers beware of high JPC shipping costs)

Anyone have this by chance......hard to go wrong at that price

DA - boy, LOL!     Yet more Haydn on the keyboard - guess that it takes those 200th, 250th, etc. anniversarys of births or deaths to bring out these 'super value' packages - just received my Staier box the other day and have not had a chance to spin the first disc - not complete, but recommended here!

But will always be interested in more comments on Haydn's recordings - Dave 

[DarkAngel]

Sonic
I just love that Staier sonata collection you now have.......

Never heard of Walter Olbertz before, but those samples sound good and this has to be the cheapest Haydn sonata 9 CD set I have ever seen at 13 euros.....the 10 CD Jando/Naxos set selling for 40 euros

[Gurn Blanston]

Well, I'm not interested in another modern piano collection, but if I was, Olbertz would certainly deserve some consideration. His forte, BTW, is accompanying Lieder singers, a rare talent which he possesses in spades.

Glad you got that Dave. I got my volume 2 last Saturday, so now I have the whole set too (after 2 years!). Boy, if I had to pick between some of these versions, I would be hard-pressed...



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Listening to:
L'Estro Armonico / Solomons - Hob 01 039 Symphony in g 2nd mvmt - Andante

[Que]

This new recording seems to be a rarity - at least I personaly never heard of the piece before.



Samples at jpc     Amazon.com

Q

[Gurn Blanston]

This new recording seems to be a rarity - at least I personaly never heard of the piece before.



Samples at jpc     Amazon.com

Q

Yes, it IS a rarity. There is one other recording of it, on Berlin Classics IIRC, and it has been OOP for several years. Used copies can be had for <>$100 though.   Anyway, to the disk at hand; I have had it on pre-order since January and the release date has been pushed back 3 or 4 times. Currently, US release is slated for the last of April. Since I have had it bought and paid for for what will be 3.5 months by then, I am rather more looking forward to it than usual. BTW, that's one, big cantata, eh?   

[DavidW]

I was listening to Haydn's Baryton Octets a few days ago and I heard something that was really familiar as if it was a concerto or a symphony before.  Does anyone know of any borrowing or transcriptions between the two?  If this draws a blank I'll try to relisten and be more specific about which work.

It's kind of weird but pleasant to suddenly hear something you've heard before transformed.

[Gurn Blanston]

I was listening to Haydn's Baryton Octets a few days ago and I heard something that was really familiar as if it was a concerto or a symphony before.  Does anyone know of any borrowing or transcriptions between the two?  If this draws a blank I'll try to relisten and be more specific about which work.

It's kind of weird but pleasant to suddenly hear something you've heard before transformed.

Yeah, know for sure that Haydn did stuff like that, although I can't recall anything from the octets specifically. Let me know which of them and I'll have a listen too, maybe we can spot it out.

[DavidW]

I'll give another listen today and see if I can find it.

[Antoine Marchand]

I was listening to Haydn's Baryton Octets a few days ago and I heard something that was really familiar as if it was a concerto or a symphony before.  Does anyone know of any borrowing or transcriptions between the two?  If this draws a blank I'll try to relisten and be more specific about which work.

It's kind of weird but pleasant to suddenly hear something you've heard before transformed.

Some far memories of the Sturm und Drang symphonies? Symphony No. 51, for example? 

[DavidW]

Some far memories of the Sturm und Drang symphonies? Symphony No. 51, for example? 

Yes that's it!  One of the Divertimenti sounds exactly like Symphony #51!!

[Gabriel]

Just a note in passing: does anyone else find the tempo marking for the 2nd movement of Symphony #70 in D as quintessentially Haydn as I do? Which is to say, amusing.

"Specie d'un Canone in Contrapunto Doppio: Andante"

"A kind of canon in limping counterpoint: moving along".

I don't know if a whole lot of composers before Satie used things like this. Other than the inimitable Mozart, I can't remember running across any.



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Listening to:
Staier, Andreas - Hob 16 37 Sonata in D for Fortepiano 3rd mvmt - Finale: Presto ma non troppo

Gurn, I think you are mistaking different symphonies. "Contrapunto doppio" doesn't mean "limping counterpoint", but "double counterpoint". I have the feeling that you were unconsciously thinking about the "Menuet alla zoppa" from the 58th symphony, which literally and musically "limps" in a very attractive way.

[DavidRoss]

Quatuor Mosaïques's op 64, 76, & 77 arrived.  Really dig 76:2 in D Minor!  hear it on youtube, here

[Gurn Blanston]

Gurn, I think you are mistaking different symphonies. "Contrapunto doppio" doesn't mean "limping counterpoint", but "double counterpoint". I have the feeling that you were unconsciously thinking about the "Menuet alla zoppa" from the 58th symphony, which literally and musically "limps" in a very attractive way.

Yes, Gabriel, you are correct. I was moving along quickly with everything but my thinking when I wrote that.  

Haven't seen you in a while, hope you are well.



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Listening to:
L'Estro Armonico / Solomons - Hob 01 049 Symphony in f 1st mvmt - Adagio

[Antoine Marchand]

Haydn in London
La Gaia Scienza
Marco Brolli [traverse flute, Martin Wenner, Singen 2004, alter Carl August Grenser, Dresden c. 1790]
Stefano Barneschi [violin, Jacques Boquay, Paris 1719]
Paolo Beschi [violoncello, Carlo Antonio Testore, 1754]
Federica Valli [fortepiano, Andrea Restelli, Milano 2005, alter Ludwig Dulcken, Dresden 1790-95]
Rec.: Giardino Crema, Italy, November 2008
Winter & Winter





It includes:

Piano Trio No. 28 in D major, Hob. XV:16 (1790)
Piano Trio No. 29 in G major, Hob. XV:15 (1790)
Piano Trio No. 30 in F major, Hob. XV: 17 (1790)
The Surprise Symphony No.94 in G major - Adaptation for fortepiano, flute, violin & violoncello by Ludwig Wenceslaus Lachnith (1793)


Listening to this Haydn in London, I have again thought about what a wonderful set Brilliant Classics made with the complete piano trios. In fact, La Gaia Scienza gives excellent performances, but I feel them slightly cold compared to the Van Swieten Trio -with the flutist Marion Moonen-, probably because of the usual sense of urgency in the performances of La Gaia Scienza, what in a certain degree reduces the feeling of complicity and great fun among the performers that you hear in the Brilliant recording. Additionally, the cello sounds more prominent and integrated in the Brilliant disc dedicated to the same trios.

Anyway, a highly recommendable recording, especially to listen to that spectacular Italian fortepianist Federica Valli.

Here the first movement "Allegro" of the Piano Trio No. 28: 


http://www.divshare.com/flash/playlist?myId=10895064-c22

[Antoine Marchand]

This looks worth of more detailed investigation:



Haydn Sonatas: Galanterien to Sturm und Drang
Ulrika Davidsson (fortepiano, clavichord)

Some details here.

[Gurn Blanston]

This looks worth of more detailed investigation:



Haydn Sonatas: Galanterien to Sturm und Drang
Ulrika Davidsson (fortepiano, clavichord)

Some details here.

Indeed it does. I shall have it. Thanks for the find, Antoine. BTW, it's worth going to that link just to read the very interesting notes there.

[Gabriel]

Yes, Gabriel, you are correct. I was moving along quickly with everything but my thinking when I wrote that.  

Haven't seen you in a while, hope you are well.



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Listening to:
L'Estro Armonico / Solomons - Hob 01 049 Symphony in f 1st mvmt - Adagio

I'm fine, Gurn, but quite busy. I wish I had more time for contributing a bit to your Classical Corner, that has been quite inactive lately.

As I don't want to turn the discussion out of Haydnian matters, I will just point out that I have been listening to some recordings of his symphonies conducted by Thomas Fey. I know that they are not everyone's cup of tea, but they are certainly mine. Clear, dynamic, surprising, a bit astringent, technically impressive, marvelously self-reliant and even bombastic at times, that's the way I like Haydn to be played.