Haydn's Haus

[Karl Henning]

. . . Initially I got them more to be completist, but i have really enjoyed them and play the disc somewhat regularly.

That's dis Haus, all over!

[Gurn Blanston]

They are good discs. I have them - very well played. And you are correct that it is mostly Hob XIV. Everything is labeled as concertino or divertimento (except for the violin sonata and what they call a quintet (Hob XIV, No 01)). There is also Hob XVIII, No F2).

Initially I got them more to be completist, but i have really enjoyed them and play the disc somewhat regularly.

Ah, the mysteries of Hoboken. Hob 18:F2 is identical in every way to the works in Hob. 14, yet he chose to stick it in with the concertos instead. Nice work it is, but certainly not a full-fledged concerto, wouldn't you agree?   

I am pleased that you have enjoyed these. Haydn was more or less intense as the situation warranted, but even (especially?) in his light works, he was never less than very entertaining. 

[Gurn Blanston]

More of a collector's question than a Haydn one, but someone here knows for sure (I think it may have been posted already but doesn't yield to a quick search);

How many volumes (actual disks) did Hobarth/Coin/Cohen record of the actual violin trios. I know they did the flute one too, but I am more curious about this. I have 5 disks with 3 trios each. Is that the lot?

[kishnevi]

More of a collector's question than a Haydn one, but someone here knows for sure (I think it may have been posted already but doesn't yield to a quick search);

How many volumes (actual disks) did Hobarth/Coin/Cohen record of the actual violin trios. I know they did the flute one too, but I am more curious about this. I have 5 disks with 3 trios each. Is that the lot?

Dear, dear,  this is depressing.  I have three CDs worth and thought I had the lot.
The CDs I have include (in Hoboken numeration) 12-14 and 18-23. 
Which ones am I missing?

[Wakefield]

More of a collector's question than a Haydn one, but someone here knows for sure (I think it may have been posted already but doesn't yield to a quick search);

How many volumes (actual disks) did Hobarth/Coin/Cohen record of the actual violin trios. I know they did the flute one too, but I am more curious about this. I have 5 disks with 3 trios each. Is that the lot?

Yes, Gurn, that's all: Hob. XV:12-14, 18-29; in total, five single discs (although the trios XV:18-23 were re-released as a 2-CD set). 

Then we also have the flute trios (Hob. XV:15-17) where Höbarth is replaced by Konrad Hünteler.   

[kishnevi]

So I'm missing the flute trios and Hoboken 24-29....
Thanks.  Must go looking for the CDs now...

[Wakefield]

So I'm missing the flute trios and Hoboken 24-29....

That's right. 

[Gurn Blanston]

Thanks for that info, Gordo. For some nagging reason, I thought there were 6 (not including the flute one), but the volumes are marked very spottily, some of them say "Vol X", some of them don't. Some say it in the original version but not in the re-release. And the 2 that Jeffrey has (from the Haydn Edition) are Vol. 1 & 2, although they don't say so on the package in that release. So now, all I have to do is to cough up ~$100 for the flute trios.... 

[Gurn Blanston]

... and also the piano trios Hob. XV:15-17, with flute instead of violin (although they can be played on violin, too).

Which, that being said, other than the BAT, have you ever seen a recording which actually used the violin instead of the flute? I haven't, but I've led a sheltered life.

[Wakefield]

Which, that being said, other than the BAT, have you ever seen a recording which actually used the violin instead of the flute? I haven't, but I've led a sheltered life.

I just recall the Haydn Trio Eisenstadt. 

[Gurn Blanston]

I just recall the Haydn Trio Eisenstadt. 

Aha! Well, at least there is someone who has done it. I've noticed within the last decade that Beethoven works with multiple arrangements by the composer have been being recorded more often. Maybe this will spread to Haydn, too.

[Geo Dude]

Speaking of arrangements, I found this bits of odds and ends at a used book shop for $8 and bought it on the strength of Vernet's reputation as a fine organist:

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Gurn can probably tell us far more about the pieces than I can, but most of it's arranged for organ and chamber ensemble, and some pieces (the partitas, for example) are exclusively for organ.

[Gurn Blanston]

Really rather hard to say if these are arrangements or if (some) of them aren't a return to the original! By and large though, this is music for harpsichord which sound really OK on an organ. The Hoboken 14 works are the same ones that Greg brought up lat week in the Trio Eisenstadt (IIRC) disks that he was asking about. There are 3 of those on here (11, 12 & 13). Even with an organ instead of a harpsichord, they are still divertimentos!  Not quite as light though.

The Hob 19 works are arrangements in more than one way! These are the last 6 of a set of 32. Of the 32, some are arrangements of themes from other works of his, some are original works. I haven't looked to see which these are, probably some of each. In any case, they were adapted to be played on a musical clock (Flötenuhr) and are now being played on an organ, Flötenuhren being thin in the ground these days!  

Hob 18:F2 is another of those concertini of Hob 14, to which Hoboken did a great disservice by placing it in Hob 18 with the keyboard concertos. It's silly, but no way to change it now. Nice little work though, just like its companion pieces.

Finally, the partita Hob 17a:2, which is a piece for keyboard 4-hands. Again, highly unlikely that it is composed for organ, but I can't see any reason to not play it on one. There is surprisingly little 4 hand music from this period, nice to hear one now and again.

You are right to think that Vernet plays these works well. Gordon brought this item up for discussion about a year ago and I was sort of cool about it because the organ is just too big for the caliber of the music it is playing. A nice little positiv would be perfect, especially since the balance of his players are quite ideal for the works. The recording engineers have done a good job in trying to balance the sound across the players, but you can feel the reserve power of that instrument waiting to be turned loose.

[TheGSMoeller]

Fey's volume 20 looks ready to be released. Nos. 43, 25 and 36.

Click here for more details.

[Sergeant Rock]

Fey's volume 20 looks ready to be released. Nos. 43, 25 and 36.

Click here for more details.

I'm pissed. The Hobbit didn't listen to us, Greg! Can you believe it? 

Sarge

[TheGSMoeller]

I'm pissed. The Hobbit didn't listen to us, Greg! Can you believe it? 

Sarge

I know! What's wrong with him? 

Downside, have to wait months before volume 21 is even announced. Upside, some fresh takes on these early symphonies. I have to say, I've listened to his 26, 27 and 42 more than I originally thought I would.

But seriously, Bilbo, get back up to the 70s and 80s for a few volumes.

[Sergeant Rock]

Upside, some fresh takes on these early symphonies.

Yes, Fey should give us something completely different. I've only two versions of 25 & 36 (Fischer and Hogwood) so Fey's takes will be welcome.

Sarge

[Gurn Blanston]

I received this double disk in yesterday's mail. Now I wish I had got it a long time ago!



A few of you have probably noticed that I like to create recitals or concerts that are plausibly realistic, and that's what Hogwood has done here, creating a recital that could have easily taken place just before Haydn left London for the final time. The instrumental soloists are all from the AAM, fortepiano played by Hogwood himself (a damned fine keyboardist for those who didn't know that). There is no orchestral music on the set, it is a combination of chamber music and song.

List of works (in order)
Hob 31a_12 Scottish Song 'The White Cockade'
Hob 31a_07 Scottish Song 'Will ye go to Flanders?'
Hob 31a_33 Scottish Song 'The Birks of Abergeldie'
Hob 31a_55 Scottish Song 'The Flowers of Edinburgh'
Hob 31a_14.2 Scottish Song 'Up in the morning early'
Hob 15_18 Trio in A for Fortepiano & Strings
Hob 03_71 Quartet in Eb for Strings
Hob 31c_17 Song 'The Lady's Looking Glass' - Country Dance (Anon)
Hob 04_02 Trio in G for 2 Flutes & Cello
Hob 26a_27 & 25 2 English Canzonettas from Book 1 - 'A Pastoral Song' - 'The Mermaid's Song'
Anon - Country Dance based on finale of Military Symphony 'Lord Cathcart's Welcome Home'
Hob 04_03 Trio in G for 2 Flutes & Cello
Hob 26a_42 English Canzonetta 'O Tuneful Voice'
Hob 01_094 (arr by Salomon) Sextet in G for Flute, Strings and Fortepiano

As you can see a very nice mix and a pleasant couple of hours of listening. Given that I invested $5 brand new, I got a generous ROI...

[Gurn Blanston]

We were discussing the "Trio Mosaiques" keyboard trios disks last week, and I was bemoaning the fact that the last time I had seen the flute trios disk by them it was selling for $98 (almost all of last year on AMP, in fact). So I looked again and they had a 'Like new" for less than $20, so I jumped on it! Listening to it now for the first time. Exceptionally well played, I must say.

And, it served a dual purpose for my collector's heart; it was the 6th and final disk in the "Trio Mosaiques" set, AND, AFAIK I have all of the available PI flute and keyboard trios recordings. I am curious if you know of any that I might have missed. I do like these 'bagatelles', as Haydn described one to Marianne Genzinger.

[SonicMan46]

We were discussing the "Trio Mosaiques" keyboard trios disks last week, and I was bemoaning the fact that the last time I had seen the flute trios disk by them it was selling for $98 (almost all of last year on AMP, in fact). So I looked again and they had a 'Like new" for less than $20, so I jumped on it! Listening to it now for the first time. Exceptionally well played, I must say.

And, it served a dual purpose for my collector's heart; it was the 6th and final disk in the "Trio Mosaiques" set, AND, AFAIK I have all of the available PI flute and keyboard trios recordings. I am curious if you know of any that I might have missed. I do like these 'bagatelles', as Haydn described one to Marianne Genzinger.

Hi Gurn - Trio Mosaiques - is this just a sub-group of the Quatuor Mosaiques - cannot seem to find any recordings on Amazon using the search term 'Trio M......' - just curious?

Regarding the Haydn's chamber flute works on PIs, I have Camerata Koln & the Kuijken Brothers, the latter shown below - Dave