Haydn's Haus

Old Listener · February 16, 2015, 06:01:07 PM

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 15, 2015, 06:29:39 AM
Yes, someone here (you, yes?) kindly pointed me to the Hogwood 79 & 81 videos, I watched them again just yesterday in fact.

But even with the bootlegs, MI's, one-off's etc out there, it is still fair to say these works are unjustifiably not well served. I like that Glover/LMP version, BTW, I used that one (as my primary) before I got the Freiburg.

I like Glover's sense of Haydn style. Everything on the two AV CDs (80, 83, 84, 87,88, 89) is a winner for me. I was not taken by the Glover/LPO recordings of 102 and 104 that I purchased.

Madiel · February 17, 2015, 02:12:11 AM

I had my first listen to symphony No.90 today (Kuijken).

LOVED it! Could quickly become a favourite. The surprise in the finale is pure Haydn. Not having read the liner notes of the CD before listening, he completely fooled me.

Gurn Blanston · February 17, 2015, 04:24:14 AM

Quote from: orfeo on February 17, 2015, 02:12:11 AM
I had my first listen to symphony No.90 today (Kuijken).

LOVED it! Could quickly become a favourite. The surprise in the finale is pure Haydn. Not having read the liner notes of the CD before listening, he completely fooled me.

Also one of MY faves, and greatly enjoy Kuijken doing it too. Nice Haydn can still surprise you after you have heard a lot of his stuff. That ending gets you every time!

Karl Henning · February 17, 2015, 05:22:51 AM

Quote from: Old Listener on February 16, 2015, 05:55:59 PM
I'm considerably more positive about Orpheus than you and Gurn are in these symphonies. The strings and especially the lower strings bring a rhythmic drive that I think is central to my enjoyment of these works.

The Orpheus are a fine outfit, and I feel they have served Haydn (among other composers) mighty well. I do not object to their musical hygiene at all, at all

Gurn Blanston · February 17, 2015, 06:14:38 AM

Quote from: Old Listener on February 16, 2015, 05:55:59 PM
I'm considerably more positive about Orpheus than you and Gurn are in these symphonies. The strings and especially the lower strings bring a rhythmic drive that I think is central to my enjoyment of these works.

I'm not saying I dislike the OCO, just that they aren't my go-to band. For me, it is more about missing the sound of the PI's than in how the band conducts themselves. FBO in #80 have a sound which is just not reproducible on MI's, and really do make that stark and harsh part, well, stark and harsh. Which was what suggested those adjectives to me when I was writing, I guess.

My personal belief is that one needs to go with whatever band sells itself to you, because the music is all that counts and if it is OCO, or FBO, or BPO/Karajan, it's all the same piece of music. The music sells the band, not the other way around.

Jo498 · February 17, 2015, 07:10:24 AM

I actually do like the Orpheus quite a bit in 79-81. And I went out of my way to acquire some of their discs at reasonable prices (for some reason they seem to oscillate between a handful or Euros or less and >20, for the last one I got I paid EUR 8 at German Ebay which was ok). My favorite is the disc with 22/63/80 and I would recommend this one to everyone except those strongly preferring PI.

But as I said, I am not so fond of their general style in Haydn anymore and in pieces better served on discs I tend to prefer other interpretations and will not go out of my way to get the last two discs I have not heard yet (60/91 and 78/102).

Sergeant Rock · February 17, 2015, 07:13:08 AM

This is the only program the Heidelberger Sinfoniker (the Hobbit Fey's band) has scheduled this year:

Joseph Haydn: Sinfonie Nr. 73 D-Dur ,,La Chasse"
Antonio Rosetti: Hornkonzert d-Moll
Joseph Haydn: Hornkonzert Nr. 1 D-Dur
Antonio Rosetti: Sinfonie D-Dur ,,La Chasse"
Soloist Wilhelm Bruns, Naturhorn

My mouth was watering until I saw the dreaded geschlossene Gesellschaft!. (Not open to the general public.) The two concerts at the Rokokotheater in the Schwetzinger Schloss are reserved for the Sparkasse bank

I noticed something else disturbing on the orchestra's website. Fey didn't conduct the last concert (in November) due to illness. And he isn't conducting the above concert either. If there is something seriously wrong with him, I fear for the Hänssler Haydn cycle.

Sarge

Gurn Blanston · February 17, 2015, 07:32:39 AM

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 17, 2015, 07:13:08 AM
This is the only program the Heidelberger Sinfoniker (the Hobbit Fey's band) has scheduled this year:

Joseph Haydn: Sinfonie Nr. 73 D-Dur ,,La Chasse"
Antonio Rosetti: Hornkonzert d-Moll
Joseph Haydn: Hornkonzert Nr. 1 D-Dur
Antonio Rosetti: Sinfonie D-Dur ,,La Chasse"
Soloist Wilhelm Bruns, Naturhorn

My mouth was watering until I saw the dreaded geschlossene Gesellschaft!. (Not open to the general public.) The two concerts at the Rokokotheater in the Schwetzinger Schloss are reserved for the Sparkasse bank

I noticed something else disturbing on the orchestra's website. Fey didn't conduct the last concert (in November) due to illness. And he isn't conducting the above concert either. If there is something seriously wrong with him, I fear for the Hänssler Haydn cycle.

Sarge

Great program; that IS mouth-watering! You should move a little of your money into this Spark-ass bank, they got it goin' on!

Fey is just a youngster, is he not? He should be able to shake off any minor indispositions. $:-\$

Sergeant Rock · February 17, 2015, 07:38:37 AM

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 17, 2015, 07:32:39 AM
Great program; that IS mouth-watering! You should move a little of your money into this Spark-ass bank, they got it goin' on!

Actually my bank is the Sparkasse...although a different branch. I don't know if the concert is for employees only, or employees and customers. I should investigate.

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 17, 2015, 07:32:39 AM
Fey is just a youngster, is he not?

54 according to Wiki.

Sarge

Gurn Blanston · February 17, 2015, 08:12:58 AM

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 17, 2015, 07:38:37 AM

Actually my bank is the Sparkasse...although a different branch. I don't know if the concert is for employees only, or employees and customers. I should investigate.

54 according to Wiki.

Sarge

Yes, you should. Branches are insignificant, it's the tree that counts.

Well, see? Just a damned kid. He'll get better.

Karl Henning · February 18, 2015, 09:30:25 AM

I had forgotten that I had only paid $26 for this box. Winning!

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Gurn Blanston · February 21, 2015, 01:20:16 PM

It has been quite a while since Haydn wrote any chamber music, with the exception of the Op 33 quartets. I was beginning to wonder. So imagine my delight when I stumbled up on this week's topic, new chamber music! Have a look, if you'd like.

Oh no, not a flute!

Thanks!

North Star · February 21, 2015, 01:26:22 PM

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 21, 2015, 01:20:16 PM
It has been quite a while since Haydn wrote any chamber music. . .

Well over two hundred years, actually.

Gurn Blanston · February 21, 2015, 01:27:34 PM

Quote from: North Star on February 21, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
Well over two hundred years, actually.

Yes, sorry, I don't live in real time, you know. I was still back in 1784... $:-\$

Madiel · February 21, 2015, 02:23:29 PM

Interesting. I'd heard about 3 flute trios in the piano trio sequence, I didn't know about these ones though.

Gurn Blanston · February 21, 2015, 02:34:39 PM

Quote from: orfeo on February 21, 2015, 02:23:29 PM
Interesting. I'd heard about 3 flute trios in the piano trio sequence, I didn't know about these ones though.

Cool, you made my day! 0:)

Jo498 · February 22, 2015, 12:03:57 AM

Are there recent and/or PI recordings of the three flute trios with *violin*?
(I don't mean the ones you just discussed but the three with piano from the early 1790s or so).

I am pretty sure I have the D major with Gilels and Kogan or Oistrakh on violin but the other ones I own only in the Brilliant box with flute.

Gurn Blanston · February 22, 2015, 07:15:23 AM

Quote from: Jo498 on February 22, 2015, 12:03:57 AM
Are there recent and/or PI recordings of the three flute trios with *violin*?
(I don't mean the ones you just discussed but the three with piano from the early 1790s or so).

I am pretty sure I have the D major with Gilels and Kogan or Oistrakh on violin but the other ones I own only in the Brilliant box with flute.

As for PI, if there are any, they are well hidden. And I have looked, believe me. As for anyone else, it will be one of the classics. Most certainly the BAT do all three with violin. That may be the only version on record. Certainly the only version I have.

Jo498 · February 22, 2015, 08:03:27 AM

What about the Haydn-Trio Eisenstadt (modern Instruments)? Did they record those three?
I am just curious; while not being all that fond of the flute per se I have not problem with the original flute version and will certainly not get the whole BeauxArts box to get a violin version.

Gurn Blanston · February 22, 2015, 08:08:45 AM

Quote from: Jo498 on February 22, 2015, 08:03:27 AM
What about the Haydn-Trio Eisenstadt (modern Instruments)? Did they record those three?
I am just curious; while not being all that fond of the flute per se I have not problem with the original flute version and will certainly not get the whole BeauxArts box to get a violin version.

I asked Sonic Dave that some time ago, since he touts that set frequently, and he said they have a flute too. $:-\$