Haydn's Haus

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Gurn Blanston

#10720
May 18, 2016, 06:11:37 AM
Quote from: Gordo on May 18, 2016, 06:07:22 AM
Just for fun:  :)

'Paris' Symphonies 82-87 (Harnoncourt, CMW, DHM)

Symphonies 6-8 (Müllejans, Freiburger Barockorchester, HM)

The Creation (Hengelbrock, BNE, DHM)

Quartets Op.33 (Quatuor Mosaïques, Naïve)

And then there are these. All of which makes me wonder what BBC was drinking when they began listing Haydn recordings. No one consulted with Da Haus...  0:)

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Jo498

#10721
May 18, 2016, 06:12:53 AM
The only of the BBC choices I have heard is Cuarteto Casals. It is very good but I think they are often too fast and breathless. So are the Apponyi/Freiburg but they have in addition also thin scratchy sound... - I do not really have a complete op.33 I am completely happy with.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
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Gurn Blanston

#10722
May 18, 2016, 06:15:02 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 18, 2016, 06:10:03 AM
Interesting. I could go for that. I honestly don't remember who I have, but it is on Chandos... :-\

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My bad, I have Symphony #2, not 3:



Good recording though!

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Florestan

#10723
May 18, 2016, 06:16:11 AM
I´m in the game.

Paris Symphonies 82-87: Adam Fischer, Austro-Hungarian Haydn Orchestra (don´t blindfold me, just shoot!)

Symphonies 6-8: Roy Goodman, The Hanover Band

The Creation: Karajan/Berlin Phil (Freiheit oder Tod, Bruder Sarge!)

Quartets Op.33: Buchberger Quartet

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Gurn Blanston

#10724
May 18, 2016, 06:16:51 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on May 18, 2016, 06:12:53 AM
The only of the BBC choices I have heard is Cuarteto Casals. It is very good but I think they are often too fast and breathless. So are the Apponyi/Freiburg but they have in addition also thin scratchy sound... - I do not really have a complete op.33 I am completely happy with.

Have you heard London Haydn Quartet?  Playing is excellent, and recorded sound is superb. This was, IMO, a breakthrough recording for them, a big advance over their earlier ones in the series, which were also very good, but...

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Wakefield

#10725
May 18, 2016, 06:24:45 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 18, 2016, 06:16:51 AM
Have you heard London Haydn Quartet?  Playing is excellent, and recorded sound is superb. This was, IMO, a breakthrough recording for them, a big advance over their earlier ones in the series, which were also very good, but...

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The last part of your sentence makes sense to me in order to give them a new try. I have only listened to their ultra sweet Op. 9.
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Sergeant Rock

#10726
May 18, 2016, 06:37:15 AM Last Edit: May 18, 2016, 06:38:48 AM by Sergeant Rock
Quote from: Jo498 on May 18, 2016, 06:12:53 AMthey are often too fast and breathless. So are the Apponyi but they have in addition also thin scratchy sound...

True, true...and yet I love them so much.

Quote from: Florestan on May 18, 2016, 06:16:11 AM
The Creation: Karajan/Berlin Phil (Freiheit oder Tod, Bruder Sarge!)

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Karl Henning

#10727
May 18, 2016, 06:53:42 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 18, 2016, 06:04:59 AM
Stokowski.   8)

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Jo498

#10728
May 18, 2016, 07:11:45 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 18, 2016, 06:16:51 AM
Have you heard London Haydn Quartet?  Playing is excellent, and recorded sound is superb. This was, IMO, a breakthrough recording for them, a big advance over their earlier ones in the series, which were also very good, but...

No. I basically gave up or to put it better, I decided that Apponyi, Buchberger, Auryn, Casals as well as Weller and Angeles in collector's boxes and another 3 of my favorite, #3 (and here I think the live Smetana is quite perfect) were enough...
I admittedly also only became aware of the London Haydn Quartet's recording fairly recently and I would be more interested in their opp. 9 and 17.
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Gurn Blanston

#10729
May 18, 2016, 07:38:26 AM
Quote from: Gordo on May 18, 2016, 06:24:45 AM
The last part of your sentence makes sense to me in order to give them a new try. I have only listened to their ultra sweet Op. 9.

Their Op 50 is the best one I have, BTW... ;)

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vandermolen

#10730
May 18, 2016, 08:19:40 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 18, 2016, 06:15:02 AM
My bad, I have Symphony #2, not 3:



Good recording though!

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That's the best version of No.2 with its massively intimidating opening. There is a fine version of No.3 on Chandos too with a different conductor and orchestra:
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vandermolen

#10731
May 18, 2016, 08:22:54 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 18, 2016, 06:08:20 AM
Speaking of Khachaturyan --- my favorite moment is the flexatone solo in the second mvt of the PC. Pure bliss.
OT

Me too. I've been playing the PC a lot in the last couple of days. I had forgotten how good it is.
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Gurn Blanston

#10732
May 18, 2016, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 18, 2016, 08:19:40 AM
OT

That's the best version of No.2 with its massively intimidating opening. There is a fine version of No.3 on Chandos too with a different conductor and orchestra:
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Thanks, I'll have to try that one, I love Caucasian Sketches too.

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vandermolen

#10733
May 18, 2016, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 18, 2016, 10:31:54 AM
Thanks, I'll have to try that one, I love Caucasian Sketches too.

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Me too. I am rather fond of Ippolitov-Ivanov.
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Gurn Blanston

#10734
May 18, 2016, 11:45:49 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 18, 2016, 11:40:29 AM
Me too. I am rather fond of Ippolitov-Ivanov.

Me too, and I don't even know what a dadgum Sardar is!  ???

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vandermolen

#10735
May 18, 2016, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 18, 2016, 11:45:49 AM
Me too, and I don't even know what a dadgum Sardar is!  ???

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Me neither. Clearly you now need to amend the title of this thread from 'Haydn's Haus' to 'Ippolitov-Ivanov's Dacha'.
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Gurn Blanston

#10736
May 18, 2016, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 18, 2016, 12:07:37 PM
Me neither. Clearly you now need to amend the title of this thread from 'Haydn's Haus' to 'Ippolitov-Ivanov's Dacha'.
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ritter

#10737
May 18, 2016, 12:58:25 PM
Sorry to interrupt this Russian diversion of the thread  :D, but I was wondering if any of our seasoned and knowledgeable Haydnians (or Haydnists?) have heard this recording? Many thanks in advance...

Quote from: ritter on May 18, 2016, 09:26:54 AM
This pioneering recording of Haydn's last opera intrigues me (I don't know the piece at all).

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It was made in 1950, a year before the (very) posthumous first staging (in Florence, with Maria Callas under the baton of Erich Kleiber).

Has anyone heard it? I'm sure our expert Haydnians have something to say  ;)

Thanks and regards,

Gurn Blanston

#10738
May 18, 2016, 01:15:39 PM
Quote from: ritter on May 18, 2016, 12:58:25 PM
Sorry to interrupt this Russian diversion of the thread  :D, but I was wondering if any of our seasoned and knowledgeable Haydnians (or Haydnists?) have heard this recording? Many thanks in advance...

Ah, glad to be back! 

A few years ago, I asked another old Haydnisto about recordings of that opera. He had every one of them, so...  He told me not to spend any time or money on that one, because it was easily the worst of the lot, and very difficult to find at the time. Thus I never did.

As a result, I ended up with these 2:
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and
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I like them both about equally, although Bartoli can tip the scales one way or the other, depending on your opinion of her.

IIRC, you like historic recordings, and so it could well be that the older one is right for you, Both my late friend and myself were less attached to that aspect, so there was no sentimental value added. :-\

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ritter

#10739
May 18, 2016, 01:32:53 PM
Thanks for this, Gurn! My interest in historic recordings comes and goes (depending on how nostalgic--or not--I'm feeling :D ). This one caught my attention because my experience with Haydn recordings from the heady days of the renaissance has usually been positive (e.g., Scherchen's and Goberman's symphonies, the Schneider's SQs). ..and this one is really pioneering  ;). Also, Swarowsky has the "lost" recording of Wagner's Ring (recently reissued on Profil) which turns out to be rather good (within its limitations).

I knew about the Bartoli recording (I think she's a great artist, and yet on occasions I can't stand her singing  ;) ), but not the one by La Stagione.

I've located a cheap copy of the Swarowsky...I remain tempted, and if I go for it, I'll let you know it it really is that bad  ::)

Cheers,
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